Page 2 of 8 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 78

Thread: Should you update the graphics Adapter on a 4 year old computer??

  1. #11

    Default Re: Should you update the graphics Adapter on a 4 year old computer??

    Quote Originally Posted by Butters View Post
    With video cards that's not the case, since they have their own video memory modules. It doesn't matter if the card has 256 or 512 MB of video memory, you'll have your complete 256 MB of system RAM for other tasks and the video card will operate with its own video memory.
    im not saying that video cards use the physical memory like onboard video devices, what im saying is they have minimum system requirements that they will work with.
    example
    the radeon 9250 requires 64mb of ram and a pentium 2 or higher
    http://ati.amd.com/products/radeon92...200/specs.html
    9600xt requires 128mb of ram.
    http://ati.amd.com/products/radeon96...pro/specs.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy! View Post
    Hiya, I'm finding this stuff complicated to be honest, I'm understanding butters! i think. I've looked on my Everest software and it says that my System Memory is 224MB and that my Display Adapter Memory is 32MB. So I'm guessing that means the onboards graphics is using 32MB of the original system memory to run, because the original total memory is 256MB.
    right on the money
    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy! View Post
    So when I get a card I have to make sure that it will work in a computer with an original system memory of 256MB {For my computer, that is!?, is that right??}
    you have to make sure that you have that amount of memory free which you most likely dont considering xp will use everything you have, plus other software running in the background, other devices like your router uses memory as well.
    upgrade your system memory first to no less then 512mb then get a card.

    cards do have their own memory but again they also have system requirements as well.

    also with the cards the cards memory isnt the only thing thats important, the gpu (graphical processesing unit, the cards processor) also plays a huge role in how these cards perform.
    so a radeon 9600 with 128mb of Vram (video ram) will actually out perform a radeon 9250 with 256mb of Vram
    the higher the clock speed of the proc the faster it can push the data.
    if you really want nice performance in an agp card go for the radeon 9800 pro, once you upgrade your ram

  2. #12
    Road Runner! Crazy!'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    United Kindgom, Kent
    Posts
    217

    Question Re: Should you update the graphics Adapter on a 4 year old computer??

    Yeah but most cards will work well with the RAM I already have [256] won't they, how would I upgrade my RAM, and is it really nessecary?? I dont want to have to upgrade RAM and Graphics. Anyway thanks for explaining everything I will have to give this some thought...

    ???
    CrAzY!

  3. #13
    Say wha??? Jale's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Santiago, Chile
    Age
    32
    Posts
    6,448

    Default Re: Should you update the graphics Adapter on a 4 year old computer??

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy
    Hiya, I'm finding this stuff complicated to be honest, I'm understanding butters! i think. I've looked on my Everest software and it says that my System Memory is 224MB and that my Display Adapter Memory is 32MB. So I'm guessing that means the onboards graphics is using 32MB of the original system memory to run, because the original total memory is 256MB.

    So when I get a card I have to make sure that it will work in a computer with an original system memory of 256MB {For my computer, that is!?, is that right??}
    256 MB seems to be enough for any card, so you don't have to worry about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy
    Because as Butters! said the card comes with it's own memory so if I get a card with 256MB of memory does that mean that my total computer memory will be 512MB (256 x 2)?
    Wrong. The video memory of your video card will never act as system RAM. When you plug your video card your system memory won't be 224 MB anymore, it will be your complete 256 MB of RAM, because the 32 MB assigned to your onboard graphics won't need them anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy
    And I'm right in saying that my onboard graphics is using 32MB of the original system memory to run not memory of it's own? I'm getting it all, I think, I'm not getting whether I have to make sure my system has 128MB, 256MB etc of memory beforehand or not.
    You said you have 224 MB of system RAM and 32 MB of shared RAM for video.

    224 + 32 = 256 MB.

    That means you have 256 MB, but your onboard graphics is taking 32 MB of that memory to work. That's why you have 224 MB instead of 256 MB.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy
    EDIT: Look at these cards for example which card would be best to buy do yah think!

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SAPPHIRE-ATI-R...QQcmdZViewItem - SAPPHIRE ATI Radeon 9250 256MB AGP 8x

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sapphire-RADEO...QQcmdZViewItem - Sapphire RADEON 9600XT (256 MB) AGP

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Asus-6600-TD-2...QQcmdZViewItem - Asus 6600 TD 256MB AGP 8x nVidia GeForce
    If there's a slightly more advanced card which is affordable, tell us!
    Stay away from the 9250 one. You can choose between the 9600XT and the 6600TD. I'm not sure about the power of those cards. I'll do some research and let you know.

    EDIT: I've never heard of the 6600TD, but according to the description given on eBay, it's very similar to the 9600XT, with the difference that the 9600XT has more memory bandwith (9.6 GHz) than the 6600TD (6.4 GHz).
    Last edited by Jale; April 16th, 2007 at 18:16.

  4. #14
    Road Runner! Crazy!'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    United Kindgom, Kent
    Posts
    217

    Talking Re: Should you update the graphics Adapter on a 4 year old computer??

    Thanks Butters! no offense but you've made so much more sense to me than the other guy! Yeah I got that shared memory thing, the onboard graphics is using 32MB of the system RAM to run, but when I get a new Graphics Adapter the RAM stolen from the original sysem RAM will be restored to it's original place {with System RAM.} The graphics card has seperate memory which focuses on enhancing 3D Applications and other media files etc! yeah do some research on the cards I've put up that'll really help! I'm gonna purchase one soon, I think I've done enough faffing about!

    EDIT: I'm certain most cards will act much better than onboard S3 Pro Savage DDR graphics anyway. I want my graphics card to run N64 & PS1 Games {Emulation} almost perfectly and to play modern PC games atleast at a reasonable/good rate. Alot of N64 Games have graphical glitches i.e

    Conkers Bad Fur Day - Is REALLY slow and conkers head is white etc.

    Donkey Kong & Super Mario 64..among others - Are REALLY slow in places and sometimes tend to crash my computer because of the tug of memory.

    Banjo Kazooie - SLOW in places

    Banjo Tooie - Has white graphical glitches and is VERY slow.

    Most games have graphical glitches more severe than others but most are reasonably playable.

    PS1 Games - Most of them actually work well, I've only got 6 games. There are minor glitches on Tekken 3 & Crash Bandicoot 1 etc.

    PC Games - Simpsons Hit & Run - Runs REALLY slowly
    Breath of Fire V - Runs a little bit slowly on full res.
    Some current Football Manager Games runs a little bit slowly.

    Will most of these cards get rid of these problems?
    Last edited by Crazy!; April 16th, 2007 at 18:50.
    CrAzY!

  5. #15
    Say wha??? Jale's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Santiago, Chile
    Age
    32
    Posts
    6,448

    Default Re: Should you update the graphics Adapter on a 4 year old computer??

    The S3 Graphics is an ass integrated chip. In fact, it's the worst onbard graphics chip I've ever seen in my life, even scrolling up or down a window is a pain in the ass.

    About those games:

    Conkers Bad Fur Day - This game has low framerates even on the real system, but you won't see Conker's head white anymore. You'll still see some graphic glitches such as non-emulated motion blur, but that's a plugin issue, not the video card's.

    Donkey Kong & Super Mario 64..among others - They work perfectly, at least Super Mario 64. Donkey Kong 64 has a core glitch when you climb a palm tree it goes off-screen.

    Banjo Kazooie - Works perfectly.

    Banjo Tooie - Works perfectly, but has core issues (emulation crash).

    PS1 Games - Most of them work perfectly. You will experience some graphic issues with Final Fantasy games if you don't choose a good plugin.

    PC Games - Simpsons Hit & Run - Never played it, so I don't know.
    Breath of Fire V - Never played it, but I think those cards will run fine on high resolutions, even with anti-aliasing enabled.
    Football games, it depends. FIFA World Cup Germany 2006 runs a little slow on my X1600, because of the excesive crowd in the background and high detailed models at the same time on screen.
    Last edited by Jale; April 16th, 2007 at 18:56.

  6. #16
    Road Runner! Crazy!'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    United Kindgom, Kent
    Posts
    217

    Talking Re: Should you update the graphics Adapter on a 4 year old computer??

    Thanks, so most emulated games will work perfectly, but the emulators genuinely need more development to perfect other minor glitches? Great and how will most modern PC games fair on of those cards or the most advanced of the bunch?..sorry for the BOMBARDMENT of question! lol

    Is this your card?? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SAPPHIRE-ATI-R...QQcmdZViewItem

    Is this card better than all of the others I've stated before because it has higher memory/Clock Speed?

    Thanks!
    Last edited by Crazy!; April 16th, 2007 at 19:07.
    CrAzY!

  7. #17

    Default Re: Should you update the graphics Adapter on a 4 year old computer??

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy! View Post
    Thanks Butters! no offense but you've made so much more sense to me than the other guy!
    ok then understand this.
    niether you nor butters is taking into account that other things are using the system memory.
    so when you install a new card your only going to max out your system memory.

    also if you dont know how to install ram, how in the hell are you going to install a video card.

    oh well i wash my hands of this, but i do suggest you do ALOT of homework about video cards before you do any of this

  8. #18
    Road Runner! Crazy!'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    United Kindgom, Kent
    Posts
    217

    Talking Re: Should you update the graphics Adapter on a 4 year old computer??

    I'm am sorry I didn't want to offend you, as you can tell I'm a bit duh! when it comes to this! lol I think I'm understadning you, my system memory at present is 256MB so are you saying I can't buy a graphics card which has more than 256MB on it? And about installing a new card I've heard it's simple enough, I can figure out how to plug it into the AGP slot and all cards come with instruction manuals and the installaton CD. I'll be fine when it comes to installing the card and drivers, but I just wanted to figure this out first...
    CrAzY!

  9. #19
    Say wha??? Jale's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Santiago, Chile
    Age
    32
    Posts
    6,448

    Default Re: Should you update the graphics Adapter on a 4 year old computer??

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho_Symantic View Post
    ok then understand this.
    niether you nor butters is taking into account that other things are using the system memory.
    so when you install a new card your only going to max out your system memory.

    also if you dont know how to install ram, how in the hell are you going to install a video card.

    oh well i wash my hands of this, but i do suggest you do ALOT of homework about video cards before you do any of this
    That's right. You need to study a bit about the components of your motherboard before installing anything on it.

  10. #20

    Default Re: Should you update the graphics Adapter on a 4 year old computer??

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy! View Post
    I'm am sorry I didn't want to offend you, as you can tell I'm a bit duh! when it comes to this! lol I think I'm understadning you, my system memory at present is 256MB so are you saying I can't buy a graphics card which has more than 256MB on it? And about installing a new card I've heard it's simple enough, I can figure out how to plug it into the AGP slot and all cards come with instruction manuals and the installaton CD. I'll be fine when it comes to installing the card and drivers, but I just wanted to figure this out first...
    no im saying that these cards have system requirements that must be met.
    your system barely meets them, so your going to run into problems.

    upgrade your ram first, that should be a priority.
    next check the wattage on your power supply.
    open your case look at the sticker on the power supply itll tell you somewhere on there how many watts it is.
    if its 350 or lower youll have to upgrade that as well

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •