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    I don't really know if the people in charge think that the report means much. Documenting what people say when messed up is as effective as making the illiterate solve an algebra equation. They have NO idea what the kid is seeing. They haven't got the slightest idea on what is going through their head or what they mean when they speak. It is quite impossible to graps what someone tries to say when messed up let alone some very young kid that has severe psychological trauma and has the inability to communicate.

    I agree on the point of feeling a connection to others. Sure drugs can make you feel 'connected to others' and some. And I guess that since they are in a state which lead them to be interned in the first pace one can rule out the possibility of halucinogenicsa triggerred schitzophrenia and aggravation on ones mental condition. It shocked me that they said "yes this is real" to Floyd, I believe it was, when he was off his head and asking if it was real. "I want outside" eheh they were quick to interpret that one in the way they wanted as well.

    They have no clue weather in his mind he was hearing voices ('is the music real was another question") weather he would see the other people melt in front of him or rapidly change appearance to look like a giant bunny/his dead mother/whomever. So replying yes this is real to his question is absurd. His long periods of regression or some of the other childrens long perionds of isolation while tripping could be a clear sign that they could have been isolating themselves fromthe alternate reality that could have altered the very basic premises of every day life (such as time flowing in one direction, the ability to be able to look at ones own feet and dust see the distance equal to ones own height rather than their legs stretching to infinity, etc.)

    While I am the first one to say someone should serve a mushroom spiked salad at UN sessions or banquets of the worlds leaders and then film what would happen next, doing this to kids that have a hard time grasping reality is in my humble opinion questionable. These drugs can alter the perception of someone who has a strong hold on reality to the degree of convincing him that he is a midget and that he needs to hang himself by the neck to get taller, so I have to say I cant even imagine in the slightest bit what these kids might have been seeing when tripping.

    During vietnam, they thought that giving the soldiers LSD or even more potent halucinogenics was a darn good idea. Now they think giving Extacy to mentally troubled people will help them out. Drugs are fine im my book... as a passtime or a diversion. But if one starts using the drug for more than what it's supposed to be, to help them out with reality, that usually is a first sign of trouble with their relationship with the drug.

    They have been pumping very strong mind altering drugs into mad people for nearly half a decade now. Some of the stuff they use to 'sedate' the patient is a short circuit drive through buckaroo banzai and the seventh dimension. Sure if it helps ease their pain or make reality more acceptable... but to document these trips and try to make sense out of them from a detached doctors point of view is absurd. It is very easy to interptet these words in the way one would want while the kid may be speaking about the giant aubergine that is singing nursery rhimes with the voice of their father.

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    sure, they allow those drugs but if i wanna drink my ass silly i get charged for underaged drinking. stupid government fucks
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    Perhaps you're right, but the fact that they've actually got permanent improvements after the drug sessions stopped seems to rule out that this is any short term trip into Weirdsville for the kids. It really seems to have helped them get over their problems, in some cases.

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    perhaps... cause and effect???
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    What ARE you talking about?

    My previous reply was to <><>, btw. And really, you don&#39;t get charged for underage drinking. Nobody is that stupid. And they don&#39;t allow those drugs, this was in the 60s before all of the L.S.D. problems. I don&#39;t even think extracted psilocybin is legal anywhere now. It&#39;s not here, despite our mushroom policies. Recreational and medical use are entirely different. Drastically mentally ill people aren&#39;t that way just because they want to trip legally.

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    i had no idea what to say so i said that
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    Wow.

    You shouldn&#39;t spam in a thread like this.
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    Originally posted by DJ Beefzibit@Dec 3 2003, 03:42 AM
    i had no idea what to say so i said that
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    I guess they did obtain results at least on Patty who was not psychotic to begin with. As for the otherr kids, we really don&#39;t know if they regressed or not since the program was in essence halted. I can take a wild guess that most of these guys were also released during the reganomics asylum cuts which helped boost the crazy new york homeless population in the 80&#39;s.

    The &#39;revelations&#39; brought on by psychoactive drugs do eventually wear off. Most of the people to &#39;turn on, tune in and drop out&#39; are now responsible working people (some still homeless hippies ) If a lon time goes by afterhaving taken a trip into wonderland, the events and halucinations one witnessed become more dreamy and less &#39;real.&#39; But I&#39;m not psychotic as far as I know and cannot speak for the experience of those kids. It is well documented that schitzophrenia, and other forms of dormant mental conditions can be triggrered by the use of psychoactives, so my first thought would be NOT to give psychoactives to perturbed and unstable children.

    But again, each individual has his own capacities, and experiences so this might not mean anything. In the short term, the way it is told in the report it seems that the drugs did help improve the apparent aspect of their condition. I&#39;m not a big fan of using drugs to get over your problems, but in some cases it is unevitable. Maybe some day LSD, mescaline and psylocin will be like the prozac for asylums.

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    I can never believe that drugs can give you effective and stable times.

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    I guess if you normally have the urge to mutilate and defecate on everyone you see, taking some extacy may make you only want to urinate and/or spew semen over them, which might in turn be considered an improvement on the prior condition...

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