Psychoactive Drugs And Mentally Ill Kids

[Jet Set Willy]

The government stopped the researchers from completing this study, but they did do a lot of work helping out kids who were so ill that they didn't even consider themselves as alive. Some of the quotes are amazing.

"Nancy

"This eleven year old girl was the most difficult and challenging person we treated. When first introduced to me, she was in complete retraints twenty-four hours a day. She was in full camisole and her legs were tied to the bed. This was necessary due to her extreme self destructive behavior. If her hands were free, she would gouge out her eyes, hit herself in the head as hard as possible, bite her fingers, tear out her tongue. She was totally emaciated, covered with swellings and bruises, black eyes in sunken sockets. She was incontinent and refused to eat. She was IV fed, she looked like a beaten up, starved, wild, eighty year old woman. She made no eye contact, did not respond to any physical stimuli, attempted to make guttural noises and spit, but unsuccessfully, as she was so exhausted. The attending physician felt that she would probably die. All known drugs had been tried. It was frightening to treat her with LSD, as my concern was her extremely frail physical condition and that she might die during a session.

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Prior to her seventh session one of the ward staff, Van, asked her what she was going to see during her next "test," she replied, "God and Van." He laughed and asked her how she could tell the difference. Very seriously she replied, "I&#39;ll show you. You&#39;ll be there and I&#39;ll show you." Van asked, "Where will that be?" She replied incredulously, "Why, in the visitor&#39;s room. That is the only place you can see God."

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She had become affectionate and warm, loved to be physically touched, and smiled happily a great deal of the time. She had given up her self-destructive behavior and wanted to identify with the treatment staff and to be included in the grown-up world. "


It&#39;s here if you want to read it. I suggest that you do so(and with an open mind).

Ignorant comments will be met with a level of anger from me which I&#39;ve only previously hinted at.

[Jet Set Willy]

Fuck. Could somebody please edit this title to say "Psychoactive" and not "Pyschoactive" please?

[El Fugitivo]

I only had time to skim over it for now, but I thought it was interesting how at least two of the patients/subjects made references to God after sessions had begun (Timmy and Nancy). It seems like the concept of a supreme plan/being makes people feel like everything is going to be (and is) alright.


Do you know if there are more in-depth notes or papers on the specific sessions? I&#39;d like to know what led them to try different doses of the two drugs on the various patients.

[Codeine]

I enjoyed the one with Floyd, it was really sad, especially this: "No, no, no, I can&#39;t be alive, this is too good."

I skimmed through most of it, stopped to read most of Floyds though. Found it kinda disturbing that 9 year olds were making sexual advances too adults. This was a pretty interesting read over all.

[Jet Set Willy]

Yeah, that part was kinda upsetting.

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My question would be: If we use drugs that warp reality and logic in order to make the world in which we live in acceptable to these troubled kids, are we doing any good at all?

[Jet Set Willy]

Yeah. Quality of life has been a common theme tonight as Badger will agree.

I think though that these kids are so messed up that the general state of modern society isn&#39;t a factor. They just can&#39;t function in a reality of any sort, and so taking them to a drug-space is necessary. I can&#39;t speak from an L.S.D. point of view, but I&#39;d imagine that the general &#39;connection feeling&#39; (with others and with nature) would be extremely beneficial to these kids. I&#39;m slightly autistic (asperger&#39;s) and I know that mushrooms help me make peace with the world. Sometimes I&#39;ll stand up and give an understanding "Oh&#33;" or "Ahh, I get it." to myself if I&#39;m confronting issues whilst tripping which make no sense to me sober. I think that would apply with these kids (I call them kids, but they are of course old enough to be my grandparents now [assuming they all made it this far]).

[Zach]

Why waste money, just put them out of their misery.

Thats what I don&#39;t understand. People want to help others for which there is no real hope, so instead of putting them out of their misery (in the name of humanity) they prolong the poor persons suffering with drugs and medication that renders them about as useful as if they weren&#39;t on medication at all.. This is somehow more humane than ending their pain ?

Sounds more like a waste of what is probably public money which could be better spent elsewhere, in an attempt for the normal people to earn "brownie points" with "god".

[Jet Set Willy]

What? This isn&#39;t like doping a kid up on tranquilisers.

[ScotchGuy]

I&#39;m guessing Neco didn&#39;t read all of it, they&#39;re helping the kids by giving them drugs which alter the way they feel so they feel better. They&#39;re not prolonging anything, they&#39;re simply making life more enjoyable for the kids.