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[ulaoulao]

Sorry I dont mean to be cynical here but.. I just downloaded the no$GBA and popped in zelda and I think it wants me to move with the ..."styles" ? Dude its not like its really 3D here, the directional would work fine...

Ok ya, so this is more of a bytch post but, seriously?

So are all 3D or 3D'ish games for the DS like this? Or did 'N' just decided to destroy a perfectly good adventure?

I cant even think of a way to get the controls to work via joystick with xpadder like tools..

Wow. If I were to buy that game I'd be upset..How are you to battle if a pen is in your hand? WTF?

[ReturnOfFallenLosers]

IDK, I think ya hardly notice when the pen is actually a mouse, ya know... btw, did ya know that zerox gave up on being the 1st to develop GUI because ppl said "holding a mouse" sounded gay? Its true, you can look it up.

[ulaoulao]

btw, did ya know that zerox gave up on being the 1st to develop GUI because ppl said "holding a mouse" sounded gay? Its true, you can look it up.

- I'm aware of the notion. For GUI a mouse was a fair choice. Xerox just didnt see the trend like MAc and m$. but for game play... The mouse and or styles does not belong on a game system, that is wrong.

[Big Fat Cat]

Sorry I dont mean to be cynical here but.. I just downloaded the no$GBA and popped in zelda and I think it wants me to move with the ..."styles" ? Dude its not like its really 3D here, the directional would work fine...

Ok ya, so this is more of a bytch post but, seriously?

So are all 3D or 3D'ish games for the DS like this? Or did 'N' just decided to destroy a perfectly good adventure?

I cant even think of a way to get the controls to work via joystick with xpadder like tools..

Wow. If I were to buy that game I'd be upset..How are you to battle if a pen is in your hand? WTF?

Wow...I can see you've never played the game on an actual DS before.

The ignorance in your post is astounding. The STYLIS is fine, the entire game uses it and it works perfect. It's not difficult or frustrating, and "N" made a beautiful adventure on the DS.

Don't be so foolish.

[ulaoulao]

Wow...I can see you've never played the game on an actual DS before.

Correct, but if you notice the board is tailored to emulation.

The ignorance in your post is astounding.

I think you mean rawness.. The lack of knowledge in this particular situation Is not definable. It is an opinion after all. Opinions have little to do with knowledge, Thus rawness would have been a more applicable choice of words. Funny, notice the hypocritical pun in your own statement..

The STYLIS is fine, the entire game uses it and it works perfect. It's not difficult or frustrating,

- Hmm, that is strange, I dont recall debating the functionality here? I'm sure its fine, and it works. The test team at Nintendo is very affective. I never mentioned it was faulty nor did I say it was difficult. It sort of reminds me of Mario paint.

and "N" made a beautiful adventure on the DS.

I'm sure it was, the graphics are great on the DS. Such a shame they make you play with a pen.

Don't be so foolish.

Nintendo has made most of the greatest accomplishments, and along the way make poor decisions as well. The power Glove, Now there was an ingenious piece of work. The robot, Oh a lot of trenchant effort went in to this one.. and now, a stylus .. This stylus is actually a neat idea. but playing an interactive 3d adventure with it? If the DS had not been designed with a directional it would have made scene as there would be no better way to control Link.

I'm sure the game uses the stylus later on and it makes a lot more sense, but at first look, on a terrain.. They really should give the use the ability to use either or.

[Big Fat Cat]

Correct, but if you notice the board is tailored to emulation.

Correct, it is for emulation, however, some games on systems such as the DS (or Wii) aren't properly suited for standard emulation. Nintendo isn't thinking about mapping the touch screen controls to a mouse and keyboard setup.

I think you mean rawness.. The lack of knowledge in this particular situation Is not definable. It is an opinion after all. Opinions have little to do with knowledge, Thus rawness would have been a more applicable choice of words. Funny, notice the hypocritical pun in your own statement..

No, I don't mean "rawness". Your lack of knowledge is definable, seeing as you admit to barely even playing the game. Also, opinions have everything to do with knowledge. You base your opinions on what you know, you don't pull them out of thin air. Do you even think before you type...?

- Hmm, that is strange, I dont recall debating the functionality here? I'm sure its fine, and it works. The test team at Nintendo is very affective. I never mentioned it was faulty nor did I say it was difficult. It sort of reminds me of Mario paint.

Actually, you did debate the functionality. You even ask "how are you to supposed to battle with a "pen" in your hand." Your statement also shows that you don't think it works, or else you wouldn't have asked it.

I'm sure it was, the graphics are great on the DS. Such a shame they make you play with a pen.

You contradict yourself quite often. You say that you're sure the game is good, but in your first post you say you'd be upset if you were to buy this game.

Nintendo has made most of the greatest accomplishments, and along the way make poor decisions as well. The power Glove, Now there was an ingenious piece of work. The robot, Oh a lot of trenchant effort went in to this one.. and now, a stylus .. This stylus is actually a neat idea. but playing an interactive 3d adventure with it? If the DS had not been designed with a directional it would have made scene as there would be no better way to control Link.

I'm sure the game uses the stylus later on and it makes a lot more sense, but at first look, on a terrain.. They really should give the use the ability to use either or.

Again, if you were to play the game on an actual DS, you'd realize how different the game would be using the D-pad. Don't judge the game when you've never even properly played it. You assume what the game is like, instead of actually knowing.

Another thing is that the touch screen is a major feature of the DS. It's no surprise that Nintendo is going to use it, what good would it be if their games don't support it?

Sure, most games are fine when played on an emulator, but DS games aren't for the most part. It's touch screen just isn't designed for computer use (unless the emulator could support tablets...) Deal with it.

I always respect others opinions, unless they're blatantly trolling. Play the game, and then see if you still think there should be a D-pad option. I’m not arguing that there shouldn’t be, but I am saying that you should at least give the touch screen a chance.

[ulaoulao]

double post...

[ulaoulao]

Correct, it is for emulation, however, some games on systems such as the DS (or Wii) aren't properly suited for standard emulation. Nintendo isn't thinking about mapping the touch screen controls to a mouse and keyboard setup.

Actually just the revere, the DS is very properly suited for emulation as computers already have a mouse?

Also what is "standard emulation"? Emulation is the state of emulating something, there is no standard.

No, I don't mean "rawness". Your lack of knowledge is definable, seeing as you admit to barely even playing the game.

I have never used a DS thus my knowledge of such device can not be measured. You could say I have no knowledge of the DS, and that was obvious in my post, however it has nothing to do with what I said. Moving around a figure with a stylus, mouse, what ever is wrong, IMO. I dont care what console its on. If N did the same thing on another system it would still apply, thus the DS is irrelevant here and so is my knowledge of it.

Not that that has anything to do with what you said. "The ignorance in your post" Meaning I have no knowledge in my post or I lack knowledge about the subject. The entire post had to do with how I felt. The most knowledgeable person with them self is ... yeah them. My knowledge of the history of Zelda in the particular case.. And seems how I have played every Zelda , this gives me both knowledge and experience on the matter. Nintendo has always made deviations. And they can afford to.. Adventure of link was one of them and they never did that again. I feel the same will be true with this version. On a second note the Wii version of twilight was a good shift, IMO. Many people dont like the way the wii works, but I think it was done well. Instead of constricting or limiting your action in the game, the wii incorporated more. Sure beats the stupid glove.

Also, opinions have everything to do with knowledge. You base your opinions on what you know, you don't pull them out of thin air. Do you even think before you type...?

Everyone has an opinions regardless of there knowledge in the subject. However, not everyone will have knowledge in a subject, thus opinions can exist with out knowledge. Knowledge establishes credibility. If I have zero knowledge in a subject and I have an opinion on the matter, my knowledge holds no weight and is irrelevant. Having experienced the game could change my opinion, and I will establish more credibility through knowledge of the game, but knowledge it's self has nothing to do with it, its a product of experience..

Actually, you did debate the functionality. You even ask "how are you to supposed to battle with a "pen" in your hand." Your statement also shows that you don't think it works, or else you wouldn't have asked it.

So now we need to teach you about punctuation. Ok a "statement" will end with a dot also know as a period. The "?" symbol is that of a question. If

The STYLIS is fine, the entire game uses it and it works perfect. It's not difficult or frustrating

Is some form of answer to that question, then I clearly missed it. I never asked if it was difficult or frustrating, I was wondering how its done?Sure this is part of my argument, but if you're going to answer a question, at least make an attempt. The impression I gathered from the emulation is that you control links moments via the pen. Now, historically with Zelda you use your weapons with a button. This could not possibly work with a pen in your hands, thus my question. My fear on the second hand ( no pun intended ) is that it expects you to tap enemy's and make hand jesters to attack and if so this is not battling, this is commanding. Zelda has always been a game that incorporates a real strategic battle. Commanding Link with a pen is not an energetic attempt, your void of action. This concept is more closely related to an RTS, then a typical Zelda adventure.

You contradict yourself quite often. You say that you're sure the game is good, but in your first post you say you'd be upset if you were to buy this game.

Confused you say, well let me help you. First try not to add words like "good". I never said good. I see how that could confuse you... I think you're referring to "I'm sure it was, the graphics are great on the DS. Such a shame they make you play with a pen. " In response to your "and "N" made a beautiful adventure on the DS. " My response was to your choice of word, "beautiful". Seems how it would not make any sense to say, the ability to play with a pen is beautiful, I could only assume you meant the way it looked or the adventure its self. In ether case I'm sure it was. If you watch a movie that is "beautiful" on a park bench with rusty nails I'm sure you would not say you didn't like the movie its self. You may say that you didnt enjoy it, sitting on a rusty park bench. Same applies here. I have no doubt the game is very "beautiful"..

Again, if you were to play the game on an actual DS, you'd realize how different the game would be using the D-pad.

Ok this is a contradiction . You just spent a large amount of time explaining how you cant judge something if you never used it. So how can you say it would be different playing with a d-pad when it was engineered for a touchscreen/pen.

Another thing is that the touch screen is a major feature of the DS. It's no surprise that Nintendo is going to use it, what good would it be if their games don't support it?

The D-pad is there also? Why not give the option. The touch screen is historically known and proven to be a user interface tool, thus N has employed this paradigm with their menus. A few games, notably single screen games, take good use of this.

Sure, most games are fine when played on an emulator, but DS games aren't for the most part. It's touch screen just isn't designed for computer use (unless the emulator could support tablets...) Deal with it.

Now here is a good definition of ignorance. The standard paradigm for use a computer is a mouse, a pointing device. Trying to emulate a game console that requires a joystick can be very frustrating as there is no common joystick attached to every computer. But we all have a mouse. Also the emulator can support tablets, as they are also a pointing device. My tablet works fine? There is no difference in a tablet vs a mouse Other then you can use absolute and relative modes. You could argue setting up a tablet is relative mode would be hard do to the lack of full screen options, but clicking a pad vs the screen would be even more difficult than a standard mouse. Also, If you think about it, a FPS style game on the DS would be better played on the computer as most people prefer that style game. A computer is very well equipment for emulating the DS, with the execution of the dual screens.

I always respect others opinions, unless they're blatantly trolling. Play the game, and then see if you still think there should be a D-pad option. I’m not arguing that there shouldn’t be, but I am saying that you should at least give the touch screen a chance.

Going to have to agree with you there, but you have not change my opinion and I still feel its a horrible design. I dont see siding or understanding in your character. After all you came of attacking. And seems as though this is your only purpose for joining this board. However if this is some sort of an attempt to help or respond to my initial post I will gladly follow up once I play it on the DS. All bias aside.

This is not a troll, just a rant. Only looking to here some opinions, from each side of the spectrum. I think I see yours, through this rubble.

[Big Fat Cat]

This is not a troll, just a rant. Only looking to here some opinions, from each side of the spectrum. I think I see yours, through this rubble.

Well I'm glad you see my points then. sorry for all the rants I guess I got carried a way. BTW: Here is a link to the rom.
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[Zach]

This thread is fucking pathetic.

If you haven't played the game on an actual DS with a stylus then trying to judge a game on a PC with no similar function device is pointless.. Just like playing light gun games.

Bitch at devs to emulate the stylus properly via the mouse. KB+Mouse works for any game system, be it console or PC. Just because consoles don't historically use them doesn't mean they don't belong. That's just dumb. They offer precise control in some games you can't get from a joypad, period.

Anyway this thread makes Jesus cry so its over.