this is a response to something barkhad has said, i hope he sees it

first, let me start off by quoting this little prick xD


""It impossible to create a xbox 360 emulator for many reasons for example you need a high cpu which higher then the xbox 360 or you use window vista pentium 4 . in the future there are possibiltes of playing xbox 360 ,WII,PS3. BUT THOSE SYSTEM ARE TO POWERFUL FOR YOUR COMPUTER . ""

the ignorance of this child amazes me


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my pc:

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case: thermaltake armor



this case (my actual case) imo looks about 50 times cooler than 360 and ps3 combines, you be the judge

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cooling solution:

thermaltake bigwater 760i



as you can see from the case photo above, it would be watercooling, a damn good solution imo

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motherboard: gigabyte ep35 ds3r



its an all right motherboard pretty solid for overclocking, my system bus atm is clocked at 456 mhz

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processor:



intel Q9450 clocked at 3.65ghz (overclocked from 2.67hgz) with 1825 mhz front side bus. watercooled, its about 22c idle and 40c load


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ram:



ocz platinum 4gb (2 2gb sticks) OCed to 1ghz from 800mhz

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hard drive= some crap generic 7200 rpm drive 16mb cache from samsung 250 gb



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graphics card:



bfg 8800 gtx overclocked from 575mhz core to 650 mhz core, 1350 mhz shader to 1600 mhz shader 900 mhz memory to 1ghz which is double pumped so thats 2ghz memory



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monitor:



in this pic, i didnt have my log
itech g15 keyboard yet, its a merc gaming keyboard as you can see and also my mx revolution i believe, not my g9


main monitor is a 24 inch gateway 1920x1200 60 htz 2ms 1000 ratio with 1 vga 1 dvi a svideo a composite 2 component, turns 90 degrees, laser touch sensor controls

secondary is a crap generic 19" samsung syncmaster 1440x900 with vga and dvi

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mouse:



logitech g9 with 3200 dpi owns 360 controller.

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keyboard:



logitech g15 ftw, it is fully backlit keys so gaming in dark is no prob, and an lcd screen makes it usefull


yeah as you can see, my computer is MUCH MUCH higher qaulity than any console ever made, this kid pisses me off going on to say that consoles own my computer and such, please ban people like him from this forum, also i only have a 360 because microsoft are a bunch of faggs who keep good games like ninja gaiden and halo from my pc to game on so i have no choice but to use crap hardware to play those games, and ive played 360 on my monitor 1080P IT LAGGGGS ike NO OTHER on halo it gets about 10 fps and cod like 15 fps... my pc gets 60 fps 1920x1200 on cod4 vsync max settings, would be over 100 without vsync
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360 specs:

stom IBM PowerPC-based CPU


* 3 symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
* 2 hardware threads per core; 6 hardware threads total
* 1 VMX-128 vector unit per core; 3 total
* 128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
* 1 MB L2 cache

CPU Game Math Performance


* 9 billion dot product operations per second

Custom ATI Graphics Processor


* 500 MHz
* 10 MB embedded DRAM
* 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines
* Unified shader architecture

Polygon Performance


* 500 million triangles per second

Pixel Fill Rate


* 16 gigasamples per second fillrate using 4X MSAA

Shader Performance


* 48 billion shader operations per second

Memory


* 512 MB GDDR3 RAM
* 700 MHz DDR
* Unified memory architecture

Memory Bandwidth


* 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
* 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
* 21.6 GB/s front-side bus

Overall System Floating-Point Performance


* 1 TFLOP

Storage


* Detachable and upgradeable 20 GB hard drive
* 12X dual-layer DVD-ROM
* Memory unit support starting at 64 MB

I/O


* Support for up to 4 wireless game controllers
* 3 USB 2.0 ports
* 2 memory unit slots

Optimized for Online


* Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, Gamer Profile for digital identity and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies or listening to music
* Built in Ethernet Port
* Wi-Fi Ready: 802.11 A, B and G
* Video Camera Ready

Digital Media Support


* Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD
* Stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras, Windows XP PCs
* Rip music to Xbox 360 hard drive
* Custom playlists in every game
* Windows Media Center Extender built in
* Interactive, full screen 3D visualizers

HD Game Support


* All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
* Standard definition and high definition video output supported

Audio


* Multichannel surround sound output
* Supports 48 KHz 16-bit audio
* 320 independent decompression channels
* 32-bit audio processing
* Over 256 audio channels

System Orientation


* Stands vertically or horizontally

Customizable Face Plates


* Interchangeable to personalize the console

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PlayStation 3 Specifications and Details

Product name: PLAYSTATION 3

CPU: Cell Processor

* PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
* 1 VMX vector unit per core
* 512KB L2 cache
* 7 x SPE @3.2GHz
* 7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
* 7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* * 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS

GPU: RSX @550MHz

* 1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
* Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
* Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines

Sound: Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell-base processing)

Memory:

* 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
* 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

System Bandwidth:

* Main RAM: 25.6GB/s
* VRAM: 22.4GB/s
* RSX: 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
* SB: 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)

System Floating Point Performance: 2 TFLOPS

Storage:

* HDD
* Detachable 2.5” HDD slot x 1

I/O:

* USB: Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
* Memory Stick: standard/Duo, PRO x 1
* SD: standard/mini x 1
* CompactFlash: (Type I, II) x 1

Communication: Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x3 (input x 1 + output x 2)

Wi-Fi: IEEE 802.11 b/g

Bluetooth: Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)

Controller:

* Bluetooth (up to 7)
* USB2.0 (wired)
* Wi-Fi (PSP®)
* Network (over IP)

AV Output:

* Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
* HDMI: HDMI out x 2
* Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
* Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1

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Nice PC......however

This is not the place for this kind of post. Its of no relevance, or interest to anyone visiting the boards. If you have a personal issue with someone then take it up with them via PM or if you have a complaint report it to a mod or admin.

If you just want to pimp your PC you've posted this on the wrong board.

Again though, there's no point to this thread, and it doesn't belong on this board.

For the record there isn't currently any PC powerful enough to emulate a 360 or PS3 in software, this doesn't mean the consoles are more powerful. The relative specs of the PC hardware have absolutely no relevance when compared to the specs of the console in terms of emulation because all the instructions are processed in a different way. A top end PC will give better performance game for game than a 360 or PS3, however a top end PC isn't powerful enough to emulate all the functions of the various PS3 or 360 hardware.

Your post is borderline abusive, there's no need for it, these boards are about emulation and emulation support not some juvenile cock waving exercise about who's machine is best.

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Nice PC......however

This is not the place for this kind of post. Its of no relevance, or interest to anyone visiting the boards. If you have a personal issue with someone then take it up with them via PM or if you have a complaint report it to a mod or admin.

If you just want to pimp your PC you've posted this on the wrong board.

Again though, there's no point to this thread, and it doesn't belong on this board.

For the record there isn't currently any PC powerful enough to emulate a 360 or PS3 in software, this doesn't mean the consoles are more powerful. The relative specs of the PC hardware have absolutely no relevance when compared to the specs of the console in terms of emulation because all the instructions are processed in a different way. A top end PC will give better performance game for game than a 360 or PS3, however a top end PC isn't powerful enough to emulate all the functions of the various PS3 or 360 hardware.

Your post is borderline abusive, there's no need for it, these boards are about emulation and emulation support not some juvenile cock waving exercise about who's machine is best.

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haha i was just pissed that kid boldly stated that consoles own pcs. it doesnt matter if the emulation wont work for xbox cuz microgay has such crap security restrictions...thats a software issue mostly imo

fact is microsoft forces people to buy games for a crappy console with exlusives that never come out for pc and its ridiculous. i want to play ninja gaiden 2 and halo 3 on my pc damit!!!

It has nothing to do with the security its about the different hardware and the different ways it has to be processed by a PC.
There aren't currently any processors that are fast enough to perform all the functions of a current gen consoles, processor, graphics chip and other hardware in software.

PC and console technology is getting more and more convergent with each generation, now that things are moving toward high def displays in the living room, it stands to reason that within another generation or two there will no longer be a defining line anyway with console and gaming PC both becoming irrelevant terms.

Hopefully it will help to stem the idiotic fanboy nonsense that see's people feeling affiliated to their machine and needing to feel defensive about their choices. There will just be gamers, people who can enjoy games across any platform without feeling the need to put other people's choices down.

If the kind of Elitism you and he both subscribe to prevailed across all other gamers then emulation probably wouldn't exist in the first place. I own a 360, a PS3 and a gaming PC, I like them equally because they all excel in different area's and the various innovations that they all make drives the whole industry forward, with them all learning and improving from one another. Which is as it should be. If we all stuck ourselves into a blinkered niche within our own little cliques the industry would shrivel and die.

Ah yes, never say impossible. Hard , tricky or maybe trivial.. but not impossible. Many said n64 was not posible.

oh ya.. nice friggen system..



I'm just gong to have some fun with this, I dont know the guy nor the post.. but casting my opinion never the less.

It impossible to create a xbox 360 emulator

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- I dont think he knows the definition of the word, that statement reaks of ignorance.

you need a high cpu which higher then the xbox 360 No

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- Really what ever gave you that idea?? and it's with not witch.. unless you mean it takes magic??

or you use window vista pentium 4

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Vista?? you do realize the over head that vista has right? Unless you needed dx10 there is now point in using vista?

in the future there are possibiltes of playing xbox 360 ,WII,PS3. BUT THOSE SYSTEM ARE TO POWERFUL FOR YOUR COMPUTER .

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- Your ability to list random consoles with powerful specifications is no measure of your pathetic statement. In other words this is irrelevant.

Oh you forgot to mention one of the only arguments. Dual core... and an x64 OS.

the ignorance of this child amazes me

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- well said.

You can't just compare the PS3's power with a PC running a PS3 emulator. Obviously the power required to run a PS3 emulator is a lot higher than the original console.

Word. This thread IS borderline stupid. The processing power required to run an Xbox 360/PS3 emulator on today's hardware, and keep in mind I said RUN not emulate at a playable level, is really high. Several times the consoles specifications in PC terms at the least.

I'm pretty sure if someone had the time and money to invest in reverse engineering a console and wrote specialized code that would take advantage of all 4 cores on a Quad core CPU, you might get something you can run. But not play anywhere close to an actual console even in your wildest dreams. Then you still need to write plugins to provide 3D rendering support via a PC's GPU, do it efficiently, and in a way that doesn't stress it to death. The video and sound subsytems alone are entire emulation projects these days, nevermind support CPU's or the multi-core CPU's that are in today's machines like the PS3.

This argument gets more and more stupid every year now, since consoles and PC's are beginning to blur their roles in the home. Consoles are also STATIC hardware platforms. Code can be extremely optimized and as the hardware ages and programmers are more experienced, they can do more amazing things with that hardware. But they can ALWAYS count on the hardware NEVER changing.

PC's are modular. Totally different architecture of hardware, and infinitely more difficult to program for and do so efficiently. The more you optimize something, the more you risk cutting out a user-base with a different hardware configuration than the one(s) you are optimizing for.

I don't understand why these conversations even happen anymore. Anyone with a brain can look at the progression of console emulation and correlate the data for themselves. With each new console emulated, the power necessary to faithfully emulate a new machine exponentially increases.

The silly old NES is a fine example of how the match works.. This is a machine with 16kb KB of memory and a CPU that runs at only 1.79Mhz. What did it take to barely run it? If you were lucky a 486 DX4 at 100Mhz would run it smoothly enough. A Pentium CPU at 90Mhz could run it pretty well and even them some of the CPU requirements have gone up into the 100Mhz range as factors like Windows are brought into play.

That is between 50 - 60 times the original power (math may be incorrect but not far off) of an NES machine to emulate it on a modern computer. This gap has closed substantially as developers starting dumping the graphics and sound loads onto our GPU and SPU's and not solely on our CPU's but it is still an incredibly strong example.

Yeah, it is kind of a silly argument to spend time fighting/supporting. If you can emulate PS3 or X-Box 360 games, you can, if you can't, you can't. Why argue about what will and will not pass, when we can just wait to see.

I can't say the same for PS3 because I don't know enough about it, but when emulating Xbox360 (on today's hardware), you can just forget about emulating it in software. If you're good with static binary translation (for an x86-64 architecture), then that would be your best bet, but then again, you'd need to have documentation on the .xex file format also. Then after that would be a matter of having proper hardware emulation, and vblank/vsync timing and emulation would just have to be done natively or using PC's vblank. But that would still require a multi-core CPU though to do it efficiently. Infact, since each Xbox360 core is capable of running 2 threads and each has it's own vector unit, I wouldn't expect the requirements to be anything less than maybe two i7s (to emulate 6 threads and 3 vector units) on an efficiently written static binary translator (PPC -> x86-64). If I were writing a 360 emulator, that's what I'd expect.