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    Default The ultimate controller box has begun AKA Bliss-Box

    NOTE: After doing some searching on the name Bliss-Box, I may be forced to change it. But I must state I'm not in cooperation or affiliation with any of the lesbo or sexual products out there that have this name.... LOL



    Ok some of you know of my previous design

    or larger images at..http:///spawnlinux.ddns.net/controler/old.jpg

    and others know of the new design that I have been pondering. In short this project of mine is to create a controller switch box for all possible types of controllers in one box.

    Please: I know we all have different opinions and such, as we each are entitled to ore own. I ask kindly, let’s keep this post for the people that are interested. There really is no need for “Oh that’s stupid, just do this”, Or “Oh that will never happen, because of this” .. Really that is severing little of no purpose.

    For those of you that are interested, new to, or aware of this project. I’m happy to let you know do to Genome’s inquires I have decided to commit to this. At first this project seemed quite pricey. But do to a bit of research I found some attracted deals and an open source project out there that will make this quite affordable. Keep in mind as most of you know, if you bought all that was required as separate converters and attempted an all in one with USB switch boxes you would be over 500$ easy. My plan is to stay under 100$. Now, depending on my new friends I ran in to , it may even be possible to get it under 75$. If I had the connection ends (console female plugs) supplied I could build one for under 50$. Now this is all hypothetical but dam attractive, huh?
    Ok enough talk here is the project.

    This is OPEN SOURCE!!! So if you have any thoughts or would like blueprints they are welcome.

    Idea one.. beta dawning.

    All of the adapters are do-able, but not cheap yet. I hope to fix that… This is a 4 pull 4 throw box. That means 4 players coming in and 1 usb out with 4 usb's internal via a hub. The only usb you will see is the end of the HUB since it’s in the box. Theoretically, you will be able to change joysticks on the fly.. Like playing Mario with any of the following, and no need to pause or close the EMU. This is possible because I have the schematic for the chips. This is under that assumption all chips have the same firmware. This would not work with some of the joysticks if my buddies can’t create a chip for that. This feature may not be implemented in the final design do to programming limitation (will just have to wait and see). The down fall to this design is Moe and Curly can use nes but Lary can’t use his snes He must also use the nes. It’s a 4 player all or none. My second thought is to make a one box controller to usb.

    This way everyone is independent of each other. Only down fall here is you won’t know who player one is, that is dependent on the USB bus. And it will change on you… Personally I hate this..

    Other notes: :
    Most chips come with a 1 year warranty so if something goes nutty you could have it checked out. Only problem here is you may not know what to look for . you could always ask me on the board here if you needed help. This is not to say these chips are faulty, warranties show good design not bad.

    What can you do to help::
    One thing that always helps is price watching. There are some tricky ways to find good deals. Like the multi taps for controller ends.. So If you know where to find cheep parts, by all means post that here..

    Can you fabricate? Heck maybe some of you can make parts. Like sticker decals or actual plastic controller fittings. It’s not impossible… Just not my expertise.


    So please for those that are interested what would make this project better? This is the best emulation board out there IMO, and you are the ones that made it so. So let it be a part of us all, I’ll just do all the hard work

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    UPDATE: new 4-play page up http://4-play.bliss-box.net/

    the open source project I speak of for chips is here. http://shop.raphnet.net/products/4ne...?category=Kits

    A nice list of controller projects out there..
    http://www.1emulation.com/forums/lof...hp/t13925.html

    The electronic parts total is. $20 This is for the 4 player box.
    the plastic box is around $8
    the controller ends are unknown for now.
    USB hub $5 or so.
    The kicker right now are the chips at 6.99 a piece. I did however find the un programmed chips for 3.66 and the programmer for $25 this could help a bit.
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    Default Re: The ultimate controller box has begun AKA Bliss-Box

    That's the first I've heard about a project like this and I'm definitly interested as far as I'd like to know if you ever make such a device but I can't say I'd ever buy one or make my own. Maybe I'm not as 'hardcore' an emulator fan as others but I find my generic PC control pad which is similar in shape to the PS1 pad does all I want and although the thought of using the original controller is pretty cool it really wouldn't last and I'd soon find I end up just using the same controller for everything anyways.

    I know you didn't really want comments like the one above but I thought I'd get across my thought on the matter so that you can see my stance before I comment on anything else. That way you can dismiss my further comments easier

    My first concern would be with the amount of wires all those controllers would spawn! I get pissed off with my 2 ps2 wires tangling never mind 40!

    Moe and Curly can use nes but Lary can’t use his snes He must also use the nes.
    I was going to ask if there were many computers that could run 2 emulators simutaneously but I think I may have misunderstood what you meant. So when Nes controllers are 'on' only Nes controllers can be used yeah?

    Are there any Atari games that would warrent having 4 controllers in? Might cut costs a little if you get rid of 2 of the atari ports.

    Also instead of having the led next to the name of the system currently active why not have it undernieth so that the whole name lights up? A small matter but I reckons it would look more professional.

    Also the selector button above the leds instead of below would make it easier to press.

    Hope I helped
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    Default Re: The ultimate controller box has begun AKA Bliss-Box

    That's the first I've heard about a project like this and I'm definitly interested as far as I'd like to know if you ever make such a device but I can't say I'd ever buy one or make my own. Maybe I'm not as 'hardcore' an emulator fan as others but I find my generic PC control pad which is similar in shape to the PS1 pad does all I want and although the thought of using the original controller is pretty cool it really wouldn't last and I'd soon find I end up just using the same controller for everything anyways.
    - Yes to each there own indeed. I'm just the type that loves to emulate and experiences as close to the original with out actually using it.

    I know you didn't really want comments like the one above but I thought I'd get across my thought on the matter so that you can see my stance before I comment on anything else. That way you can dismiss my further comments easier
    - No I'm referring to the rude unwanted comments, you are fine. I do appriciate constructive criticisms as well, just not the over opinionated a$$'s that just want to put there view as they see them.. I'm interested in comments to help or condone this project not oppose it. It's not a money project its a hobby, and its for those that want to sue it. Although I welcome advice like yours...

    I was going to ask if there were many computers that could run 2 emulators simutaneously but I think I may have misunderstood what you meant. So when Nes controllers are 'on' only Nes controllers can be used yeah?
    - Yes as in, if a Nes emu is running you would be stuck with all the same controller of a kind. Every one is forced to use nes unless it is switched to snes, and in that case every one is on snes.. .

    Are there any Atari games that would warrent having 4 controllers in? Might cut costs a little if you get rid of 2 of the atari ports.
    - Again great point. but I figure what the heck.. I may have a section of old controllers that are two way only, good .. Ill keep that in mind...

    Also instead of having the led next to the name of the system currently active why not have it undernieth so that the whole name lights up? A small matter but I reckons it would look more professional.
    - Not sure I follow. do you mean the name lights up? Like a cut out of the logo as the LED, that could be cool..

    Also the selector button above the leds instead of below would make it easier to press.
    - Do you just mean to have it up top, I would tend to agree here also....


    Thx Ryanfaescotland I applicate it..
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    Default Re: The ultimate controller box has begun AKA Bliss-Box

    Quote Originally Posted by ulaoulao View Post
    - Yes as in, if a Nes emu is running you would be stuck with all the same controller of a kind. Every one is forced to use nes unless it is switched to snes, and in that case every one is on snes..
    Well I doubt there would be many situations where this was an issue but I guess it counts as a flaw, an extreamly minor one in my mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by ulaoulao View Post
    - Again great point. but I figure what the heck.. I may have a section of old controllers that are two way only, good .. Ill keep that in mind...
    Yeah I'd reckon what the heck as well just thought I'd raise the point. Cosmeticly it may look better with the four but if 2 of them are unusable then why bother having them there?

    Quote Originally Posted by ulaoulao View Post
    - Not sure I follow. do you mean the name lights up? Like a cut out of the logo as the LED, that could be cool..
    Yeah like a bit of plastic with the logo written on it in clear plastic so that when the LED behind lights up it shines through, it's kinda hard to explain

    Quote Originally Posted by ulaoulao View Post
    - Do you just mean to have it up top, I would tend to agree here also....
    yeah either on top or on the front on the top right hand corner as apposed to bottem right. I just think this would make it a bit easier to press if it is sitting ontop of something (a desk or so on)

    Here's a wee pic of my thoughts


    As you can see it's all cosmetic changes so it really makes little difference to the actual working of the box. Plus this is just my thoughts obviously everyone you ask will have little cosmetic changes they'd make.
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    Well, since i have like 1 minute left this is just a little idea from me, i'll give more tomorrow but eh, to be honest arn't you forgetting size? Not many people would want say a 20 cm box connected to their laptop or computer to use one or two controllers, and these days i don't know many people who play 4 player on one computer? (Play button = Selector, since gimp wouldn't open i just used paint so it won't be very detailed sorry.)



    Otherwise it's a great project from what i'm hearing, keep up the good work!
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    Default Re: The ultimate controller box has begun AKA Bliss-Box

    Ryanfaescotland, Ya thats what I was thinking. Thx for the input.
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    Default Re: The ultimate controller box has begun AKA Bliss-Box

    Quote Originally Posted by insanemaniak View Post
    Well, since i have like 1 minute left this is just a little idea from me, i'll give more tomorrow but eh, to be honest arn't you forgetting size? Not many people would want say a 20 cm box connected to their laptop or computer to use one or two controllers, and these days i don't know many people who play 4 player on one computer? (Play button = Selector, since gimp wouldn't open i just used paint so it won't be very detailed sorry.)



    Otherwise it's a great project from what i'm hearing, keep up the good work!
    No I took sizes in to consideration, but I also want it to look appealing. I see where you're going but the staggered look it too much, Let me know what else you have in mind and it is only beta.

    I wanted to make a box that would allow up to four players. That being one of the goals. Yes its going to be a bit big.. But I'm working on that. This is why I also opted for the single box. that way you could have four boxes if needed.. I may make the connectible and just do like an add on type of deal. Not really sure what way its going to go, and this is why I need the feed back I'm getting so far.. Keep em coming..

    Also recent investigation shows I MAY not sure yet, but may be able to build custom boxes with little ease.

    Oh, and if any one knows of a nice looking project box let me know. I personally would like a trapezoid type of box. ( BUT I CANT FIND ONE!! GRR ) . With newer controllers on the front and older on the sides..

    here is a list of boxes, but I don't see one that hits me.
    http://www.hammondmfg.com/scpgPL.htm
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    - here is a new thought I had, ( I missed an LED for the center, and I meant for the size to be 4 sets of 2 for those systems that only use two anyways. ) . the big circle is the switcher. Ill fix this up when i get home.

    Another note some controllers can use the same switch position. For example. XBOX 1 and 2 will use the same switch position but different connectors(I think they are different ). Same with n64 and game cube and snes nes. They are all the same chip for the converter, So i could group them. Also most of the old consoles atari sega... use the serial db9 So I could just group all of those in on section. May do that and just have the LED change. And I think for compatibility ill mount 4 usb connectors on there as well along the bottom as one of the switch options. Would take no extra hardware or cost.
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    You could always get rid of the leds and select botton and insert switches or something, you know like the one on the back of a PS2/3?

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    you are full of suggestions my friend keep 'em coming..

    but!

    You could always get rid of the leds and select botton and insert switches or something, you know like the one on the back of a PS2/3?
    - This is a 12 pull/trow switch.. Meaning..

    12 lines in , 12 lines out and that is to say 12 lines get switch simultaneously as it switches. In other words you would need 6 or 12 switches for each switch, unless there was a 12 pull/trow push switch .. and if there was it would not be cheep..


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    BTW: not looking for charity here , but if any one wants to donate junk please do.

    junk list..Ya its junk.. But very valuable to this project. All the items can be totally busted, I mean to the point of being ran over, seriously If I can salvage oscillators from it I'm doing great.

    Any USB device. Including hubs, (mice are rare treats I used 10 of my junk mice already)
    Any joystick pc or console.
    Any console connectors (female)

    Or if you have skills here are the components.

    1.5k resistors
    68 ohm resistors.
    led's
    3.6 volts zener diodes. (hard to find)
    330 ohm resistor
    12 Mhz crystal. or 6 mz, nice finds
    27 pf capacitors.
    10uf capacitor.
    lm317 regulator ( common , but a nice find)

    For those that ask, yes I know they are mega cheep on line i.e mouser.com, but I'm looking for 100's of them so I can make lot of them. For example its 20 bucks just to make two, when you add up all the zeros is not cheep any more... So If you have anything you want to get ride of PM me. Hope this is not a forum rule I'm braking? No money just junk...

    Here is the new trapezoid design.

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