Judge deems PS2 mod chips illegal in UK

[Jet Set Willy]

You've made a glaring error there, Neco - expecting anything other than horseshit nonsense to be posted by Emulator-Zone representatives.

[Corey4666]

Originally posted by Neco+Aug 22 2004, 07:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Neco @ Aug 22 2004, 07:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mourgos@Jul 23 2004, 10:54 AM
We all also know that guns are made for killing but they don&#39;t have such a problem to give gun licences.
Anyway you own your console and you have the right to do whatever you want with it and installing a mod chip doesn&#39;t force you to break any copyright laws.You have the right to be able to make your machine able to play pirated playstation games,cause the fact alone doesn&#39;t break any copyright made by any company does.Only games are copyrighted.
Next thing they must do according to that logic is to make cars illegal because they can be used in taking you to buy pirated CD&#39;s ...

What the FUCK are you smoking dude ?

The majority of people out there using burners are making backups of data on their PC like spreadsheets, word files, pictures, etc.

You could no more make burners illegal because people use them to pirate, than you could make a car illegal cause someone used one to go buy pirated material. Thats just fucking retarded to even try to argue.

When you buy software you buy a liscense that grants you the right to install a copy of that software onto the PC. You technically do not own it.

Just like you buy the right to view porn online, you don&#39;t own anything but you are granted access to the materials.

Modifying your hardware and the right to do so is a situation of circumstance. If you deliberately modify your hardware for the specific reason of playing illegal copies, then in the eyes of the law your hardware has most likely become illegal.

Just like when some kid walks into a store and buys some white boys or blunts (which are perfectly legal by themselves) , and then goes and rolls a joint, it becomes part of the illegal act and ALL of it could be confiscated during an arrest.

Lets not beat around the bush here. Every person who bitches about these types of laws are just getting pissed cause they can&#39;t get shit for freee anymore and play their downloaded games. Well tough shit. Stop hiding behind stupid consumer laws that allow the backup of certain media that are prone to damage, you are only hurting the people who legitimately backup stuff.

Also. only games are copyrighted ? You need to get out more.

By the way sherlock, there are a lot of places in the U.S where you need a liscense to carry a firearm. I don&#39;t even understand what the point of brining up guns is. [/b][/quote]
ummm.....Neco
the reason he brought the fact of guns up is probly cuz hes trying to make a point
you dont have to be so offensive

[Zach]

Originally posted by Jet Set Willy@Aug 23 2004, 12:55 AM
You&#39;ve made a glaring error there, Neco - expecting anything other than horseshit nonsense to be posted by Emulator-Zone representatives.

I must admit you are correct


And Corey. thats probably the nicest I could have been. Unless you totally humiliate people around here, they often do not get the point through their thick skulls.

And again. The firearms arguement is moot. There is also no "fact" present in his statement about them.

[Lefteris_D]

Out of all people Mourgos must know what a huge problem Playstation Piracy is. People dont install modchips to run homebrew software or to use import game disks but to play cheap games that they buy just for €10 instead of paying the full price.


That gun example was stupid.

[Jet Set Willy]

I agree with Lefteris.


(Ha&#33; Bet you never heard that before).

[Lefteris_D]

I should post some pictures of people selling pirated CD&#39;s on the street for more proof but my camera is not working any more.

Originally posted by Jet Set Willy@Aug 23 2004, 02:40 PM
I agree with Lefteris.


(Ha&#33; Bet you never heard that before).

Ah&#33; My eyes, my eyes&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Jet Set Willy]

Yes. It was all a cunning plan to make you go blind.

[Zach]

Originally posted by Jet Set Willy@Aug 23 2004, 12:40 PM
I agree with Lefteris.


(Ha&#33; Bet you never heard that before).

LOL

[ray]

that&#39;s pretty retarded.

[Mourgos]

The gun and every other trully irrelevant example was just to point out that you can&#39;t forbid sth just because there is a possible way to use it in illegal activities.Even if the majority uses sth for illegal activities it&#39;s not the actual "tools" that make the illegal activity rather than tha action itself.

As Neco said:"Modifying your hardware and the right to do so is a situation of circumstance. If you deliberately modify your hardware for the specific reason of playing illegal copies, then in the eyes of the law your hardware has most likely become illegal."

But the case is that the law is not in position to know your purposes until you&#39;ve done sth illegal.Noone can prove that you&#39;ve modified your hardware to play illegal copies until you&#39;ve played them.So in order for your hardware to be illegal "in the eyes of the law" you must have already commited sth illegal-they just cannot call them illegal in advance.

That was the point I was trying to make,alright?

And Lefteris,just because almost everyone uses mod chips to play copied games on their PS2,doesn&#39;t mean that we must all lose the right to modify our hardware(PS or not) the way we please just as we can modify any other machinery.e.g. someone may find a way in the future to modify a ps2 to play computer games,or to increase it&#39;s performance.You can&#39;t forbid him to use his creativity to alter sth he owns to serve his own special needs.