The ultimate controller box has begun AKA Bliss-Box
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Wow never heard that before, where did you get the email, from here or at my site? If you are Thomas, I just received an email to day. If not try again, or PM me here.
BTW: I added a link on my page instead of the no copyable text
going to post a bit of an update here for anyone that is actually try to follow this project.
I moved to the atmega168 chip. This allows twice the flash size. I ran out of room on the at about 10 devices. So I should get about 30 on the atmega168. As most of the core code is done
I think 30 controller types will suffice.. I'm still working out the usb timing as its not play right with the mega 168 yet. Hope to have the new chip ready soon. The good news is no hardware changes are need. So people like Genome will not need to replace the board if they upgrade. Where ever that guy is??
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Ok not sure anyone would need this but jaguar it now officially supported! That means I can adapt your jaq to a PC via usb
I know its not the most ergonomic controller out there but my plan is do do them all
Also the new atmega chip is still putting up a fight. I do know its going to work ( as others have used this on other usb projects ) but have not resolved all of the bugs ( specific to this project ) yet.
Hopes are high!!
I know its not the most ergonomic controller out there but my plan is do do them all
Also the new atmega chip is still putting up a fight. I do know its going to work ( as others have used this on other usb projects ) but have not resolved all of the bugs ( specific to this project ) yet.
Hopes are high!!
BloodyBandage
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Should give some love to to really oldschool controllers. Maybe be able to fit a joystick from Commodore 64 on there, or original Atari. Very cool project though.
The original atari and all db9 Atari clones have been tested and work.
includes :
colecovision
sega 2 3 and 6 button
atari all that I have came across.
including ( Commodore, Gemini, Odyssey, and most anything from that era )
intellivision ( theory only, but should work, waiting a a controller to test with )
and I'm sure more that I can't think of yet.
The db9 Atari controller was sort of a mark in first and second gen consoles. These controllers were very simple. Each button and direction had its own line to comm with.
1 - UP
2 - DOWN
3 - LEFT
4 - RIGHT
5 ( sometimes button B )
6 BUTTON A
7 +5V
8 GND
9 extra
So there was not much reason for game manufactures to change the paradigm. By in large if you have a controller like this thats has 1 or 2 maybe 3 buttons it will work. Anything more has trickier circuit logic ( i.e sega 6 button ).
Thx for the shout out!! IF you think of any in particular let me know, I plan to test everything i can.
includes :
colecovision
sega 2 3 and 6 button
atari all that I have came across.
including ( Commodore, Gemini, Odyssey, and most anything from that era )
intellivision ( theory only, but should work, waiting a a controller to test with )
and I'm sure more that I can't think of yet.
The db9 Atari controller was sort of a mark in first and second gen consoles. These controllers were very simple. Each button and direction had its own line to comm with.
1 - UP
2 - DOWN
3 - LEFT
4 - RIGHT
5 ( sometimes button B )
6 BUTTON A
7 +5V
8 GND
9 extra
So there was not much reason for game manufactures to change the paradigm. By in large if you have a controller like this thats has 1 or 2 maybe 3 buttons it will work. Anything more has trickier circuit logic ( i.e sega 6 button ).
Thx for the shout out!! IF you think of any in particular let me know, I plan to test everything i can.
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Chances are C64 joysticks will work on the genesis port (I'm guessing it has a genesis port already) as when I was a kid I remember jacking my Genesis controller into my C64's joystick port to play Archon, and it worked flawlessly.
I never did test a 6-button Sega controller, but the standard 3 button definitely worked.
I never did test a 6-button Sega controller, but the standard 3 button definitely worked.
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Your right Zack, that is the case. the 6 button would not work as its a bit of a different beast.
UPDATE!! I have made the avenue pad 6 work!!! All 6 buttons select run directional and turbo are working..
I also attempted the pc-fx but its a bit different. There is no info on that net that is helpful. If anyone has electronic skills and this system and would not mind assisting let me know!
Status
n64 - WORKING
nes - WORKING
snes- WORKING
gc - WORKING
psx - not implemented yet
sega ms - WORKING
sega gen - WORKING
sega saturn- WIP
atari - WORKING ( most any 9 pin controllers from this time work )
atari 5600 - WIP
atari paddle - WIP
jaguar - WORKING
colico - un tested
intellivision - WORKING
tg16 / dou - WORKING
pc-fx - WIP
dream cast - not implemented yet
3d0 - not implemented yet
neo geo - WORKING
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One question about the N64 Adapter, what input plugin would I need to use? This project is beginning to interest me.
Well short answer is any.
long answer is that it uses directX ( HID ) So any DX based plugin will work, and has. I use my adapter with just about all of them I come across. With xpadder you can fill in the gaps where the pluggins give you trouble. Also this is part of beta'ing it. I want to know what does not work as I personally feel it will work with everything. I choose not to use a driver thus using HID and HID is a generic driver windows understands. So its trouble free. Works great with the dolphin plugins btw
NOTE: keep in mind this adapter is made for the person that wants many adapters in one. If you want a single version I make those, so contact me. I plan to re-create that adaptiod but dont have time just yet.
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Ok So here it is, the goal is reached and only a few bugs exist.
Whats new:
I was able to write a full auto detection system. No need for that clunky switch... You plug in the adapter and then plug it in to the computer and it will find what is attached. No alteration to the controller is needed.
There is only one switch left and that is to switch from normal ( sega ) to collico/inteli. Since collico and inteli wanted to change the power pins around I had to switch them on the db9 jack its self. Fortunately most people will never use these cumbersome controllers, but the support is there if desired.
Here is a list of what works with the adapter so far. and my notes for bugs. in works means possible just have not fully completed it.
n64 ( some computers make buttons jump for a split second here and there )
nes( vboy in works )
snes
gc ( some computers make buttons jump for a split second here and there )
psx 1,2,dual shock( pressure buttons are in the works )
sega ms/gen/saturn
C64 (working as a sega 6 button , see note below )
attari
jaguar
collico
intellivision
tg16 / dou / fx-pad
dream cast(has jumpy issues here and there, wont work on 3rd party yet)
3do
neo geo
No support for atari 5600 yet, not sure how to get it working on the db15 as neo geo uses this one. Another switch maybe? Why do they changes power pins ARRR
atari paddle are in works. They just move the mouse when moved, leave it be when not. The mouse moves from up/left to bottom/right to allow vertical and horizontal games.
The jumpy issues for the nintendo's seem to be usb driver/port dependent. I may need to gather info from beta users to get down to the problem. The DC jumping is a timing issue and I think fixable. Both are playable as they dont happen that often.
c64 has 4 buttons sega 6, I just dont know what happens to the other button states. they may always pressed ( hoping not )
My adapter is tested to work with many 3rd party controllers. All but DreamCast anyways. DC seems not to work with 3rd party, as the protocol is so complex. I think I may manage once I get my Logic Analyzer in.
Here are some example layouts, please vote for one!!
These are listed form most like to least
want to help: I'm always happy to receive help. Donating controllers, posting, and I'm in need of a new web site.
Beta testers: This adapter takes a long time to make and I dont have time to make them for anyone that wants to test them for me. I need to do this before mass production as you can imagine. I will list all beta testers on here and I'm not sure how many yet, but dont think I will go very high.
Beta testing will start this year and soon , I hope. So if you want to beta test it get to me asap. Since I cant edit my post after x amount of days I will just re post the list as it grows. The list so far..
Zack ( I think his need is more so for a review )
me ( duhh)
If your name is above and you dont want to beta it just let me know and I will remove it.
__ v2.0 notes.
I have made some plans to go back the other way, controller to->usb then back to controller. The idea here is you get any adapter on any console. (i.e snes->upb->jaguar ) Obviously there will be some button mapping troubles and in some cases not enough buttons. Not sure how to handle this yet, but have some ideas.This concept will be in v 2.0
Rumble, in works for version 2.0. Still working on the HID side of it..
Mem card reading for n64 and DC is possible, so that in the works.
Other devices, I plan to support a few others, for example I have made the Guitar Hero work and may be in version 1.0. I plan on doing things like guns and what not for v 2.0
Want to see something? now is the time to let me know.
___ Not to be supported.
Mice/keyboard, multi taps, wireless. These are stupid .. ( multi taps)If you want more then one buy another. The amount of time and size of the chip to support all of these would double the price. Not to mention kill the auto detection. (wireless) this is a corded adapter. If you want wireless get a wireless usb, same thing.. (Mice) whats wrong with a pc mouse? Mice are so standard anyways. Same with keyboards. DC-keyboard is just silly to add in the code and a big waste.
I removed the dance pad also, not sure I will exclude it but for now its not in 1.0 to save room.
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Oh, very clever! I would never have thought to use the default driver, usually things like that apply a driver when it's plugged in. Yeah, I have many different types of controllers, so the regular bliss box will be fine. Good luck man!Well short answer is any.
long answer is that it uses directX ( HID ) So any DX based plugin will work, and has. I use my adapter with just about all of them I come across. With xpadder you can fill in the gaps where the pluggins give you trouble. Also this is part of beta'ing it. I want to know what does not work as I personal feel it will work with everything. I choose not to use a driver thus using HID and HID is a generic driver windows understands. So its trouble free. Works great with the dolphin plugins btw
NOTE: keep in mind this adapter is made for the person that wants many adapters in one. If you want a single version I make those, so contact me. I plan to re-create that adaptiod but dont have time just yet.
Eureka! I just finished PSX and with pressure!
No being I only have two extra analogs on my HID I got to thinking.
Only two buttons can be pressure active at once. the default is [] and X, if you want to change the button do this...
Press start hold it down ( this should pause the game ), then press select hold it down, and final Analog button Left ( button config 1) or analog button right ( button button config 1). So you will have one of the two.
start+select+analog left
or
start+select+analog right
Now while that combo is press ( almost impossible with one had when holding the controller , being the idea ) press the button you'd like.
If you want L2 to have pressure for the extra HID analog 1 slot You would do:
start+select+analog left+ L2 ( left go an any order )
If you want Up to have pressure for the extra HID analog 2 slot You would do:
start+select+analog right+ up( left go an any order )
I tested this out and it works great for me.. The down fall is you only get two active at once.
Thoughts, anyone??
No being I only have two extra analogs on my HID I got to thinking.
Only two buttons can be pressure active at once. the default is [] and X, if you want to change the button do this...
Press start hold it down ( this should pause the game ), then press select hold it down, and final Analog button Left ( button config 1) or analog button right ( button button config 1). So you will have one of the two.
start+select+analog left
or
start+select+analog right
Now while that combo is press ( almost impossible with one had when holding the controller , being the idea ) press the button you'd like.
If you want L2 to have pressure for the extra HID analog 1 slot You would do:
start+select+analog left+ L2 ( left go an any order )
If you want Up to have pressure for the extra HID analog 2 slot You would do:
start+select+analog right+ up( left go an any order )
I tested this out and it works great for me.. The down fall is you only get two active at once.
Thoughts, anyone??
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Desert Drifter
Out From Under A Rock..
ulaoulao said:
I'm taking you didn't like my rough draft on ND..
taking shape of the third layout..
haha, no buddy. I played with a few designs and end up with these.
Going to move the nes( turn to the right 90 deg) down and GC up, though fits better..
Ok I guess its time for an update..
I worked out most of the bugs above. and the cd32 ( c64) is good to go. It was not what most people though..
vn64
nes( vboy in works )
snes
gc ( some computers make buttons jump for a split second here and there )
psx 1,2,dual shock, presure
sega ms/gen/saturn
C64 (cd3)
attari
jaguar
collico
intellivision
tg16 / dou / fx-pad
dream cast(has jumpy issues here and there, wont work on 3rd party)
3do
neo geo
Beta testers: This adapter takes a long time to make and I dont have time to make them for anyone that wants to test them for me. I need to do this before mass production as you can imagine. I will list all beta testers on here and I'm not sure how many yet, but dont think I will go very high.
Zack ( I think his need is more so for a review )
me ( duhh)
TommyS
Going to move the nes( turn to the right 90 deg) down and GC up, though fits better..
Ok I guess its time for an update..
I worked out most of the bugs above. and the cd32 ( c64) is good to go. It was not what most people though..
vn64
nes( vboy in works )
snes
gc ( some computers make buttons jump for a split second here and there )
psx 1,2,dual shock, presure
sega ms/gen/saturn
C64 (cd3)
attari
jaguar
collico
intellivision
tg16 / dou / fx-pad
dream cast(has jumpy issues here and there, wont work on 3rd party)
3do
neo geo
Beta testers: This adapter takes a long time to make and I dont have time to make them for anyone that wants to test them for me. I need to do this before mass production as you can imagine. I will list all beta testers on here and I'm not sure how many yet, but dont think I will go very high.
Zack ( I think his need is more so for a review )
me ( duhh)
TommyS
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It looks like its coming along nicely! I am teaching my self coding, maybe someday I can help you out. XD I can only do simple games like Pong though. =[
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