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Codeine
October 9th, 2003, 04:48
I went to pick up some speakers for my PC at Staples today, and I saw this really hot cashier, so I naturally chose to go into her line, over the olds.

I walked up said "Hi", and was just sitting there and, I dont know why I did this, but I looked at her hand, and there was a little tattoo on it.

At first, I was like: WTF?? Thats not what I think it is, is it? It looked like one of those weird symbols teenage girls would put in with a needle or something, but it turned out to be a poorly drawn swastika. A fucking swastika, and she worked at Staples. Funny I notice that, and not her boss.

That got me to thinking about all the Anti-Semitism that happens in my school.

Ive long known that idiots have been using Jews as there adjective of choice to diss people (replacing the former, "GAY"). Only redneck whores do this, and it disgusts me with a freakish passion. "Yo! Dont be jew!"

I remember being in History going over and OVER the number of ways Jews were torutred for no reason. Having nerve gas tested on them daily, having a trucks tail pipe crammed down there throat as it was running, babies being thrown into bon fires, women raped, etc. I remember the people in that class with me, the same people who cheerily call there friend a "Jew" for not giving him his Good Charlotte CD back.

I really want to know, does this happen in England? Australia? U.S.A? (no offence, but I suspect it may be just as common as Canada). It just doesnt make sense, why is everyone like this? Why now? Why to jewish people? No one said stuff like this three years ago, it was all: "Dont be a fag", "Dont be gay", etc.

Theres probably no specific reason, but why do you think people do this?

Jay
October 9th, 2003, 04:56
I think a lot of people do it because their insecure about themselves. They find other people that they can take out their frustration on. One thing is for sure though, it's not right.

ScotchGuy
October 9th, 2003, 05:36
It doesn't happen too often at my school, we tend to insult gays the most. Basically everyone has just replaced stupid, dumb, moronic, idiotic with gay, queer, or fag.

Although it doesn't happen that often we also aren't hesitant to laugh at a good jew joke, nobody really cares about who the joke is offending, as long as it's funny. Oh, and hispanics are made fun of constantly as well.

hitmonlee
October 9th, 2003, 05:41
Originally posted by Pornography@Oct 9 2003, 11:48 AM
A fucking swastika, and she worked at Staples. Funny I notice that, and not her boss.
is staples a jewish company?
are you sure the swasticka wasn't back to front?

yeah people here use the words gay and jew. probably don't use jew as often as american's though, we have less jewish people, jewish culture isn't big like it is in america, and we usually call stingey people "tight-asses".

don't use queer or fag much. fag usually refers to a cigarette. a lot of people are trying to phase "gay" out as a derogatory term, or they change the spelling to ghey.

<><>
October 9th, 2003, 09:27
Argh there goes my post count....
It&#39;s true that a few years back when my social interraction with the common idiot were more often (translation: when I was in school) the most common insult would be faggot, dumbass, retards etc. I have not heard somebody say &#39;jew&#39; in the context you described yet, but I&#39;ve seen it around on forums.

It&#39;s idiotic. It&#39;s nor WORSE than calling someone a fag, a cripple, a nigger or something similar. But just as ridiculous. A lot of theories have been put forth basing this on xenophobia, fear etc. I just think less of the people that try to insult someone or instigate some agrresive reaction using race, religion, sexual preference or nationality.

Simple minded people that can&#39;t think of a smart way to anger someone allways fall back on 2 year old tactics (see the your house is bum link provided by Waz in honka) but this time poo poo and pee pee are just replaced with race, religion ethnicity or sexual preference. Usually you will see that people that do this often have no chacter. They dress like other people or the MTV VJ&#39;s. They listen to what everybody else listens to and have no opinion of their own. Original thought is an unkown process. It is very fun and easy to absolutely rip these people to shreds by pointing out their chroma-copy existence.

Don&#39;t get me wrong, I&#39;m all for satire. And I laugh my ass off when I listen to comedians like Chris Rock or even more controversial people like Andy Dice Clay. I think it is okay to make fun of everyone else as long as you don&#39;t overlook the fact that you yourself and your own race, religion, preferences can be a pretty funny subject of humor.

donkeyknob
October 9th, 2003, 11:58
i havent heard much "jew" calling around here. i namely use gay, poof, fag, wank, dick, jabroni and fucker. but i prefer using insults that actually are true (ie teasing a fucker i hate about never having a gf, and hes 16)

Jet Set Willy
October 9th, 2003, 13:27
Originally posted by hitmonlee@Oct 9 2003, 05:41 AM
are you sure the swasticka wasn&#39;t back to front?
Yeah. A reversed swastiki is a peace sign.

Danny
October 9th, 2003, 14:02
<>_<> I think you are taking this a bit too far, saying that calling
someone a jew means you have social problems or wear the same
clothes as other people. If you read what you posted you&#39;ll realise that
it&#39;s just the same as calling someone who doesn&#39;t wear the same
clothes as other people a freak.

As for the jew thing, I don&#39;t think it&#39;s often used in england for
anything else than calling someone stingey, which I think is fine as
every race, religeon etc has their own stereotypes.

Jet Set Willy
October 9th, 2003, 14:06
No he isn&#39;t. Look at the next person you hear say "GAY&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;" as an insult, or says "This is gay&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;". I bet he&#39;ll be a hoodie-clad simpleton.

(That probably isn&#39;t a fair test, because if you look at near enough ANYBODY they&#39;ll be a hoodie-clad simpleton).

TGS
October 9th, 2003, 16:38
I think it has a little to do with the immensely popular Eric Cartman calling Kyle a filthy jew. People emulate that because fatass said it.


Oh, and in Amsterdam it&#39;s a compliment to be called a jew. In Rotterdam on the other hand...

onewecallgod
October 9th, 2003, 23:08
at the end of the school year last year, someone found a giant swastica and things like "heil hitler" and shit like that were found in the stall of a bathroom. i knew it was a joke, since nobody is openly antisemetic at school, but i could be wrong

nobody ggets called a jew at our school. theyd be kicked out instantly since our school is so small.

<><>
October 10th, 2003, 10:41
Originally posted by Danny@Oct 9 2003, 02:02 PM
<>_<> I think you are taking this a bit too far, saying that calling
someone a jew means you have social problems or wear the same
clothes as other people.....
Uhm no. Using *jew* or whatever simpleton remark as an insult definitely qualifies you as a Grade A moron. I couldn&#39;t care less how the moron dresses though.

The Hedgehog
October 10th, 2003, 12:12
Never seen someone use the word Jew in a demeaning way in real life (ie: school), but that&#39;s because I live in Israel. It&#39;s just a thing of being cool with the community, if someone does it, then the next joins in, and soon enough, the whole school, state, or country use it as an insult.

In my language, the worst insults are those that claim you to be a fag. There are people though, in my school, that call others arabs as an insult.

Danny
October 10th, 2003, 13:41
Originally posted by <><>+Oct 10 2003, 10:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (<><> @ Oct 10 2003, 10:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Danny@Oct 9 2003, 02:02 PM
<>_<> I think you are taking this a bit too far, saying that calling
someone a jew means you have social problems or wear the same
clothes as other people.....
Uhm no. Using *jew* or whatever simpleton remark as an insult definitely qualifies you as a Grade A moron. I couldn&#39;t care less how the moron dresses though. [/b][/quote]
Yet you still thought to make a point of how the "Grade A moron" dresses.

Jet Set Willy
October 10th, 2003, 14:11
I think he just meant to use it as a way to describe the stereotypical moron he was trying to portray.

<><>
October 10th, 2003, 16:09
The point was not in how he dresses, it was that this type of moron usually does not have original thought or character. The dress bit was just an example since in everyday life it is one of the most RAMPANT example of how people have lost their character. The moron dress code was a satirical simple example that most people would identify with in order to grasp the actual POINT of that paragraph which was their inherent lack of character.

Now to clear things up this does not mean that someone with a very strong character canot be racist or ellitist either. It is as I said most commonly the case, but not exclusively the case. While I find the &#39;lost&#39; and copycat idiot racist to be more irritating it is the actual hate filled and intelligent racist that usually is the worst. They usually wont fling around cuss words that openly though.

Danny
October 10th, 2003, 17:12
I do get your point, yes the point I was trying to make is totally
unrelated to racism, but you still brought up the issue of how people
dress.

Basically you were saying all people that dress "normally" have no
personality, and I was saying that, if I said all people who don&#39;t dress
"normally" are freaks or something similar you would say something.
The point I&#39;m trying to make is double standards.

hitmonlee
October 13th, 2003, 08:48
Originally posted by Danny@Oct 11 2003, 12:12 AM
I do get your point, yes the point I was trying to make is totally
unrelated to racism, but you still brought up the issue of how people
dress.

Basically you were saying all people that dress "normally" have no
personality, and I was saying that, if I said all people who don&#39;t dress
"normally" are freaks or something similar you would say something.
The point I&#39;m trying to make is double standards.
i barely noticed <><> brought up dressing like other people or an mtv vj, did he perhaps hit a bit too close to home?

i notice you didn&#39;t bring up the fact he also mentioned what music the common moron likes.

Badger
October 13th, 2003, 12:58
In Scotland, we usually just beat people up that we don&#39;t like, and not bother with calling them names (probably why we have the highest rate of assault charges in Europe)

However there are names we do use, usually insulting the subjects mother, by putting her in a degradig situation.

<><>
October 13th, 2003, 13:24
Originally posted by Danny@Oct 10 2003, 05:12 PM
Basically you were saying all people that dress "normally" have no
personality, and I was saying that, if I said all people who don&#39;t dress
"normally" are freaks or something similar you would say something.
The point I&#39;m trying to make is double standards.
You are going to make me quote Lewis Carrol again.

I said: People that have no personality, usually dress like the current fad.

Which is NOT equal to saying:

People that dress like the current fad have no personality.

Now besides this "I mean what I say and I say what I mean" detail, I still want to point out that what you are focusing on is a theoretical EXAMPLE to show a point, and you are not addressing the point itself.

Double standards have absolutely NOTHING to do with what I was saying as I was not critisizing the way they dress ot talk but their REASONS for doing so. Trying to categorize people by the way they look is kind of like the ideological cousin of racism.

Jet Set Willy
October 13th, 2003, 13:26
And don&#39;t let those damned nigger jews say otherwise&#33;

Danny
October 13th, 2003, 20:26
Let me rephrase it then

People who are freaks usually don&#39;t dress "normally".
Is that any better? If anything I think it&#39;s worse.



Originally posted by hitmonlee
did he perhaps hit a bit too close to home?
Since when did this get personal, as far as I&#39;m concerned this is two
people discussing their veiws and not a tit for tat battle which you
seem to see it as.
If I said I don&#39;t dress "normally" would that make my point any more
or less valid?

Edit: I&#39;ve probably taken this too far, but my points still stand.

hitmonlee
October 14th, 2003, 03:32
hey i was simply trying to work out why you would want to pick out that one tiny detail from <><>&#39;s post and discuss it to death.

Zach
October 14th, 2003, 05:22
Originally posted by Waz@Oct 13 2003, 01:26 PM
And don&#39;t let those damned nigger jews say otherwise&#33;
stop pissing off black ppl u niggerz l0lzz wtf ?&#33;1111

<><>
October 14th, 2003, 08:50
Originally posted by Danny@Oct 13 2003, 08:26 PM

People who are freaks usually don&#39;t dress "normally".
Is that any better? If anything I think it&#39;s worse.


Danny this never got &#39;personal&#39; I&#39;m actually enjoying this although it is about focusing on a detail...

Yes I think when you say "freaks don&#39;t dress normally" it means a whole different thing. It&#39;s your opinion on how freaks dress and does not imply an inherrent bias or dislike against people who dress out of the norm. It&#39;s just an observation you are making about the people that you consider freaks. And I have nothing to say about that.

I might say I have seen freaks that dress very normally and you might say you&#39;ve seen idiots dressed up like the mad professor, it would just add some more flavor to the idot/freak mix but not change the point of the original discussion.

Jay
October 14th, 2003, 23:24
Originally posted by Waz@Oct 13 2003, 01:26 PM
And don&#39;t let those damned nigger jews say otherwise&#33;
Now that&#39;s comedy.

Codeine
October 16th, 2003, 05:28
Germany&#39;s still got it:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20031015/mdf384349.jpg

"A German man who taught his dog Adolf to give a Hitler salute by raising his right paw has been charged with violating Germany&#39;s anti-Nazi laws, a Berlin court said on October 15, 2003. Police investigated after members of the public complained they had seen the man giving the stiff-arm &#39;Hitler salute&#39; and telling his dog: &#39;Adolf sit, give me the salute&#33;,&#39; a court spokeswoman said. The man and his dog pose for photographers in Berlin Wednesday. (Tobias Schwarz/Reuters)"

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...germany_nazi_dc (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20031015/od_nm/odd_germany_nazi_dc)

El Fugitivo
October 16th, 2003, 06:45
Being a Nazi in America is a constitutionally-protected right. Employers as big as Staples can&#39;t afford to discriminate based on political preferences or they&#39;d have the ACLU so far up their asses they&#39;d be blowing their noses with lawsuits. Check it out, the ACLU defended a Neo-Nazi in Chicago in the 70&#39; or 80&#39;s, I distinctly remember watching a film on it in Government or 20th Century U.S. History back in high school.

Codeine
October 16th, 2003, 06:50
I live in Canada. Im pretty sure theres different laws when dealing with Nazis. Im almost sure we dont tolerate it.

But still If you were the manager of a Staples (in the US or Canada) and you saw three equally qualified people to employ, but one had a swastika on there hand....doesnt that lead you to not choose that person?

El Fugitivo
October 16th, 2003, 06:57
Which, after being rejected by enough employers despite being evidently capable of the task would lead the person to seek legal counsel. And I&#39;m pretty sure that Nazism is legal in just about all western countries except of course Germany. Not to mention the fact that Staples in Canadia probably follows the same company policies as Staples in the U.S.

Codeine
October 16th, 2003, 07:01
Ive never heard of a Nazi sue anyone because they were rejected for their &#39;beliefs&#39;.

Hmm, maybe I should research this.

El Fugitivo
October 16th, 2003, 07:11
Yes, a neo-Nazi in Chicago sued becuase the city would not let him organize a rally.

Codeine
October 16th, 2003, 07:16
I was reffering to Canada though.

It kind of appals me that they feel they can do that, anywhere.

hitmonlee
October 16th, 2003, 07:20
apalled that they can sue?

although i don&#39;t agree with them... i guess it is their right...

<><>
October 16th, 2003, 09:05
Nazism is also not tolerated in the rest of Europe. You cannot have a Nazi rally in France, England, Spain, Italy or any other CE country for that matter.

The US does have some cooky laws about &#39;the right to assemble peacefully&#39; and &#39;free speech&#39;