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Gosia
January 5th, 2004, 15:53
I consider my self an American, not because i suport George Bush or his stupid war; Not because I hate the french; And certinly not because I can own a gun. Do some of you people really know whats going on?

Mabey you saw some people in the middle east screaming and begging for god to take vengence on us. But as I look more and more into it I can understand why. Imagine your at a resturant that was just bombed by america whom of which thought mabey a dictator was dining there. Imagine your family was pulled from the wreckage dead, burned, severed at the head. I imagine i would want some kind of action taken. This is a true story. This mother watched as her daughter was pulled out of the wreckage of a resturant that WE, THE US! THE GOOD GUYS! bombed.

Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction when we started this war. But yeah he did before, guess why... Reagen/Bush gave them to him so he could win the Iran/Iraq war in the 80's.

And its a good thing we have our great media coverage like Fox. Oh yea, they only try to make bush look good. They recently showed footage of Chirac (The ruler of France) meeting with Saddam in the 70's. BAD FRACE! OH MY GOD! THEY ARE EVIL! ... of course they forgot to show the repulican's beloved Donold Rumsfeld metting with Saddam in the 80's to discuss the Iran/Iraq war.

Did they ever find weapons of mass destruction in iraq? NO! WHAT ABOUT THE MOBILE LABS!? They were used for filling balloons. Conan O'brean calls these labs the WINDEBAGOS OF DEATH!

So why are we having this war? a mixture of ignorance of the people and the making of money in the government i would say.

I am only american because i was born here.... but i hope to move to New Zealand or Austrailia or somthing some day.

Lefteris_D
January 5th, 2004, 19:53
I'm sorry to read this. It's sad when Americans realize what their goverment has done. Its sad that my goverment is sucking up to yours :(


Anyway, let's not forget about the victims of September 11 as well.

Jay
January 5th, 2004, 21:17
Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction when we started this war. But yeah he did before, guess why... Reagen/Bush gave them to him so he could win the Iran/Iraq war in the 80's.

I would like to see you prove that we gave them WMD. We gave them weapons, not Weapons of Mass Destruction. I agree with much of what you said. This was a unjust war. I also hate Bush. I just don't think you have your facts straight.

Jet Set Willy
January 5th, 2004, 21:18
You sounded like me there.

Jay
January 5th, 2004, 21:21
That's scary. :P I can understand why Gosia would be upset with our government. I am as well. I just don't think we need to go acussing the administration from the 80's of passing out atomic bombs without any proof.

belmont
January 5th, 2004, 23:14
This war against Saddam was stupid...
He didn't have weapons of muss destruction.
Remember what happened to the English jurnalist that found proof of this.
I don't like the fact that one that most likely will be the next governor in Greece likes USA very much.

Jet Set Willy
January 5th, 2004, 23:18
Originally posted by belmont@Jan 5 2004, 10:14 PM
He didn't have weapons of muss destruction.
Remember what happened to the English jurnalist that found proof of this.

No? What are you talking about?

ScotchGuy
January 6th, 2004, 00:18
Originally posted by Jay@Jan 5 2004, 12:21 PM
That's scary. :P I can understand why Gosia would be upset with our government. I am as well. I just don't think we need to go acussing the administration from the 80's of passing out atomic bombs without any proof.
They definitely weren't atomic bombs, I think Gosia is mixed up.

But it's a well known fact that the U.S. took Iraq's side when they were having that quarrel with Iran. We supplied them with various bombs to help them win. We also helped Iran because our government is full of stupid jackasses.

I hate the U.S. government and I hate 99% of the people living in the United States, and I live here, it's a shame really.

Jay
January 6th, 2004, 00:25
I was just being a bit sarcastic with the atomic bombs post. My point was that we supplied them with only weapons, nothing capable of what one would refer to as "Mass Destruction". I think we need to keep our noses out of the rest of the world's problems. We try to police the whole earth and we do a very poor job of it. I do however love this country and I have faith that even with our faults this is still a good place to live. I've never been what I would call poor and I've always been able to find work. I do hope that we get someone new in he White House next time. Perhaps it will be fair this time, eh?

Codeine
January 6th, 2004, 00:30
You want Dean, NOW.

Jay
January 6th, 2004, 00:35
Dean who? :S

belmont
January 6th, 2004, 00:45
Originally posted by WazWaz+Jan 6 2004, 12:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (WazWaz @ Jan 6 2004, 12:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-belmont@Jan 5 2004, 10:14 PM
He didn&#39;t have weapons of muss destruction.
Remember what happened to the English jurnalist that found proof of this.

No? What are you talking about? [/b][/quote]
He was mysteriously killed.
He was found dead in a forest.
He said to his friends that he was sure someone would kill him.
Police investigated and Tony Blaire went to the court to talk.

Codeine
January 6th, 2004, 00:45
the one whos running for president

Jay
January 6th, 2004, 00:47
OH&#33; sorry... my brain froze...

Jet Set Willy
January 6th, 2004, 00:50
Originally posted by belmont+Jan 5 2004, 11:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (belmont @ Jan 5 2004, 11:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by WazWaz@Jan 6 2004, 12:18 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-belmont@Jan 5 2004, 10:14 PM
He didn&#39;t have weapons of muss destruction.
Remember what happened to the English jurnalist that found proof of this.

No? What are you talking about?
He was mysteriously killed.
He was found dead in a forest.
He said to his friends that he was sure someone would kill him.
Police investigated and Tony Blaire went to the court to talk. [/b][/quote]
That wasn&#39;t a reporter, it was Dr. David Kelly from the Ministry of Defence. He was our WoMD expert. He went for a walk one night and was next seen dead in the woods with his wrists slashed.

What the FUCK kind of point were you trying to make by bringing up something you don&#39;t even know the basics of?

belmont
January 6th, 2004, 01:11
Wasn&#39;t he a reporter as well?
Well never mind.
What I wanted to state is what happened to a man who found proof about the "mass destruction" weapons.

Jet Set Willy
January 6th, 2004, 01:12
What? He commited suicide because of the stress and pressure.

belmont
January 6th, 2004, 01:14
Well some jurnalists here said that he was murdered.

Jay
January 6th, 2004, 01:15
I would like to see this proof of WMD. I just don&#39;t think there is any proof to find. The sad truth is that Iraq just didn&#39;t have any. America was wrong. Our goverment anyway.

El Fugitivo
January 6th, 2004, 08:19
Dean sucks. At this point, if I vote for anyone, it will probably be Clark.

Badger
January 6th, 2004, 08:22
I drew a cat on my last ballot paper. I didn&#39;t want to vote for any political party that was running in my area. So I spoiled the paper.

Codeine
January 6th, 2004, 08:29
Hahaa.

I&#39;ll probably never vote for anyone, unless they&#39;re the pro-pot peoples decriminalizing it.

Jet Set Willy
January 6th, 2004, 08:57
It would be funny if somebody made babies illegal, and people started dealing them.

Badger
January 6th, 2004, 08:58
Or cancer. I would like to become a cancer baron.

donkeyknob
January 6th, 2004, 09:20
i intend to never vote properly

hitmonlee
January 6th, 2004, 10:18
Originally posted by Pornography@Jan 6 2004, 03:29 PM
Hahaa.

I&#39;ll probably never vote for anyone, unless they&#39;re the pro-pot peoples decriminalizing it.
i sometimes vote for the australian marijuana party
they got 2% of the vote in my electorate B)

i love voting
i get strange thrills out of ticking boxes and filling out forms

Codeine
January 6th, 2004, 10:26
Hahaah. I think Canada has around the same percentage.

Gosia
January 7th, 2004, 04:24
I got the idea that America gave Iraq biological weapons from Michael Moore&#39;s great new book Dude Where&#39;s My Country. And i have emailed him a request for a source. Hes a bussy guy but lets see if we get a response.

www.michaelmoore.com
- check it out if you havnt heard of this guy. He kicks ass.

Jay
January 7th, 2004, 04:35
There could very well be a difference between biological weapons and weapons of mass destruction depending on the weapon. A biological weapon may or may not cause what would be considered mass destruction. I also don&#39;t believe that we gave the biological weapons, however. It was most likely short range missiles, small bombs and the like.

EDIT: Voting is a good thing. :)

ScotchGuy
January 7th, 2004, 05:21
Michael Moore is a blundering fat idiot.

Codeine
January 7th, 2004, 05:36
YES.

I hate all those hipster nerds who agree with every god for saken word that comes out of his chicken stained lips. That fat kife.

Gosia
January 7th, 2004, 05:57
mabey you should read his work. what do you know about the guy except that he trys to create a problem with seemingly everything. and every thing he says is backed up with many sources.

I feel very strongly that many things he say are true and should be looked at. some times its good to find a problem with everything, even if its without presidense. Its good to check and double check on important issues that affect everyone and everyone in the future. Regardless of your hate for the blubbering fat idiot hipicrat man Michael Moore i believe strongly that his books have lots of thourghts that should most certinly be looked into.

Gosia
January 7th, 2004, 06:00
and mr pornography if you cant post something with at least the tinyest bit of a point, please dont post at all, or at least please not in my forums. im only posting for facts and oppinions and your entitled to giving your facts and oppinions. but your previouse post was idiotic and meaningless so please be so kind as to shut the fuck up. Thank you.

Codeine
January 7th, 2004, 06:26
Use a Word Processor, your grammar/spelling makes me sick.

Anyways....FACTS? What are you talking about? I&#39;ve seen Bowling For Columbine, and it was pretty ordinary.

"Canadians never lock their door" - first of all, how can that prick say that the majority of people never lock their doors? Who does he think he is? Because he talked to like two people, he speaks for an entire nation? RIGHT, that&#39;s a fact and a half, there. I lock my door, and so do the rest of the people in my neighbourhood.

His documentries consist of interviewing many people, and only showing the people that express his point. That&#39;s how documentries work, idiot.

He&#39;s not a rebel for putting a Ramones song in his movie. He&#39;s not a hero for going to Charelton Heston&#39;s mansion and putting a picture of a dead girl on the ground by his house. He&#39;s a pretentious bastard.

His movie brought nothing new to the subject of guns, people use guns because they&#39;re afraid. CORRECT. If you were living in the Project&#39;s in downtown Chigago, would you not be scared for your protection?

On the subject of the gun that kid brought to school: what if he brought a "toy" knife to school? And "pretended" to stab one of his peers? The fact is, he could have left anything dangerous out. It&#39;s the Uncles fault, not the fucking Gun industry.

No one ever said he was a hypocrite, by the way.

El Fugitivo
January 7th, 2004, 06:48
What Michael Moore does is make outrageous statements that are in direct contradiction of the statements that right-wing extremists (Rush Limbaugh, for example) make every day. While he certainly takes liberties with the truth, so does every pundit in Washington. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire, and when people hear the things he said, they are (hopefully) inspired to do their own research on the subject to discover what&#39;s really true.

Maybe he&#39;s a fat (since when was that a crime?) propaghanda-spewing radical leftist. That doesn&#39;t change the fact that a bank in Michigan hands out guns to people who open new accounts, or that there are crazy militant inbreds who think that assault rifles are appropriate means of personal security. He&#39;s doing the exact same thing that Oliver Stone has done with nearly every film he&#39;s made: offsetting the Republican bias in the media. Stone&#39;s JFK was never meant to be the "true" story of that assassination, but an overview of some of the theories behind the conspiracies and a way to make people ask "what really happened?" It&#39;s a film with a clear intent to spark social interest and debate, and I think that that&#39;s exactly what Bowling For Columbine is, too. Moore doesn&#39;t care if you think that he&#39;s right, what he wants to do is create an uproar. If the social climate becomes muddied enough with the issues, than people can&#39;t look the other way anymore. Action will have to be taken, just like it had to be taken in the 60&#39;s when extremists like Malcolm X spoke out against racism and "the man".



So please, don&#39;t call him an idiot or a kife. He knows what he&#39;s exactly what he&#39;s doing, and if you could undertand that then you&#39;d respect him.

Jet Set Willy
January 7th, 2004, 06:54
He could be accused of passive agressive moral-mongering though.

Still, the fact that banks in America hand out guns is incomprehensible to me.

Jet Set Willy
January 7th, 2004, 06:57
It would be worthwhile to check out Louis Theroux. He manages to degrade Moore&#39;s methods through example, without so much as mentioning him.

El Fugitivo
January 7th, 2004, 06:58
Is he a writer?

Jet Set Willy
January 7th, 2004, 07:02
He does a similar thing to what Moore does, but without setting up the situation on purpose. He&#39;ll live with the person he&#39;s interviewing and take a small film crew, and through his inquisitive acceptance of the interviewee he&#39;ll expose them through false naivety. Best thing on television. I doubt that he&#39;ll ever be seen on foreign television unfortunately.

Jet Set Willy
January 7th, 2004, 07:06
I guess you could import this (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005Q596/qid=1073455567/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_11_1/202-8592962-6570217) on faith if you&#39;re intriuged.

"From the frighteningly deluded to the mildly eccentric, Louis always finds some way to connect with the people he meets and as a result the series continues to rise above any desire to become overly voyeuristic, to patronise or to judge."

Amazon reviewer puts it better than I could (to think I&#39;d ever make that revelation&#33; The shame. Amazon indeed. Suicide again for me.)

El Fugitivo
January 7th, 2004, 07:12
I am intrigued. From what you&#39;re saying, it sounds alot like what Errol Morris did with Fred Leuchter in Mr. Death (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0192335/).


By the way, your link didn&#39;t work. It just led me to the main amazon.co.uk video page.

Codeine
January 7th, 2004, 07:13
I don&#39;t think you needed to patronize me to make your point, Spiff. I don&#39;t like the way he proves his points, there really isn&#39;t anything to "get".

Jet Set Willy
January 7th, 2004, 07:14
Try now, I changed it.

El Fugitivo
January 7th, 2004, 07:20
Originally posted by Pornography@Jan 6 2004, 10:13 PM
I don&#39;t think you needed to patronize me to make your point, Spiff. I don&#39;t like the way he proves his points, there really isn&#39;t anything to "get".
Was it necessary for you to call him a prick or a kife?


The thing of it is that his documentary serves not to make a point, but to motivate others to do that.

Codeine
January 7th, 2004, 07:24
Whatever. I could care less, really.

El Fugitivo
January 7th, 2004, 07:25
Link works great now. Heh, I was looking at that same thing in another window when I clicked the link.

Gosia
January 7th, 2004, 07:44
Originally posted by Pornography@Jan 7 2004, 01:24 AM
Whatever. I could care less, really.
than stop posting you dick cheese. and i shall spell the wayr i jfuckshing jwanlt to; (the misspelling here was done on purpose). and hes a smart guy thats trying to show the world things that many people fail to see. mabey you do lock your doors, personaly i dont give a rats ass. the point is the idea of some normal fat nerd making people think about the actions of the government of which they live in and what may seem is toatally differant is kick ass. mabey you were so bussy thinking about how hes fat and he says you dont lock your doors or whatever but he certinly is more inspiring than you, you doo doo head.

i am very interested to hear about other writers or whatever that show similarities to Moore&#39;s fine works of... heh lets call it inpiringly true propaganda. :P

Jet Set Willy
January 7th, 2004, 07:50
Gosia, just leave it now. It&#39;s over. I don&#39;t want to see Spiff and Porno argue, and you&#39;re dragging it out.

Codeine
January 7th, 2004, 07:52
Whatever.

Gosia
January 7th, 2004, 07:52
:) apologieze. but not to you porno, cause i dont like you

^ bad spelling. what now biotch

Codeine
January 7th, 2004, 07:55
Mods: Close this cookie jar, Gosia keeps on getting into it everytime :(

Gosia
January 7th, 2004, 07:58
im really sorry this time.... you see i really like cookies

Codeine
January 7th, 2004, 08:00
Whatever.

El Fugitivo
January 7th, 2004, 08:10
If anyone else wants to make a new comment, feel free to pm a mod to open this, or just create a new thread and we&#39;ll merge them together.