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Splize
December 22nd, 2003, 05:13
Its out....I just got it...sound pretty good

http://www.winamp.com/player/

Codeine
December 22nd, 2003, 05:24
The scroll bar sucks.

It's alright....but Winamp 3 is better.

ScotchGuy
December 22nd, 2003, 07:10
Um, no.

Winamp 5 is a hybrid of 2 and 3.

Winamp 3 sucked horribly, I didn't think anyone would defend that trash, it was a memory hog.

Lefteris_D
December 22nd, 2003, 07:28
This version runs far better than 3. Congradulations to them.

El Fugitivo
December 22nd, 2003, 09:35
I liked the video support in Winamp3. Alot better, in my opinion, than WMP or Winamp 2.9 (an inexplicable step backward).

M.H.A.Q.S.
December 29th, 2003, 10:50
Winamp3 was a trash. I loved winamp2.

Winamp5 is great, but as my PC is slow for its appearance appeal, I can't use it.

suckthismeat
January 1st, 2004, 08:38
and isn't it amazing, like MusicMatch they want money to burn CD's--but why to rip MP3's........ not that it matters, Cdparanoia, oggenc, and k3b are all I need.......

So why pay $15 to burn a cd? Cant nero do that... and isn't nero generally free with cdburners......



They have gone hell, Ill stick with my old winamp2

Jet Set Willy
January 1st, 2004, 16:48
Is it your job to troll around the forums name-dropping open source programs you've probably never used? You use oggenc to encode MP3s eh? Nice.

AngeloL
January 2nd, 2004, 04:38
There u go again..

Jet Set Willy
January 2nd, 2004, 04:44
Perfectly constructive criticism. I have a problem with this person and I voiced it. That's what happens here. As I've said before, you don't seem to belong. Do yourself a favour and find a friendlier forum. I'm afraid that if you carry on tainting my idea of utopia as many others do, I'm going to have to try and make you repent.

suckthismeat
January 2nd, 2004, 07:09
well WazWaz let me ask a simple question

Did I say I was going to make an MP3 with oggenc.... NO
what I was getting at is I DONT use MP3's

Mp3's and most of thier players (winamp3, Musicmatch, and Media Player) take LOTS of valuable resources... ogg - has so far been a lot less resource intesive, and has better quality sound


OH and seeing as how I generally use linux for all Sound/Video needs, LAME or sometimes Blade are the 2 packages of choice for MP3's

But just so you know, Winamp DOES come with the decoder to use Ogg-vorbis soundformats, and its just too damned bad It cant use FLAC

oh yea go ahead and try and make me repent

Jet Set Willy
January 2nd, 2004, 07:33
If you had a basic grasp of English it would be clear what you mean.

suckthismeat
January 2nd, 2004, 07:42
2 things, 1- the point was WHY PAY THEM FOR A GENRALLY FREE SERVICE... (ex. even MUSICMATCH and Media Player can RIP music for FREE) - and NERO isnt open source buddy, go check into it, it just happens to be free with LOTS of burners - except of course those few who still use Easy Cd Creator


and 2- I think my last post was very clear in meaning - if you have a problem with it, Oh well

--edited for spelling--

Jet Set Willy
January 2nd, 2004, 08:01
No, try following the conversation.

I'm not complaining about OGG, many people will vouch that I have advocated it in the past.
What the fuck are you talking about Nero for, and where exactly did I even mention it, let alone whether it's open source or not? You are sadly obsessed with proving yourself at every opportunity, trying to look like some sort of alternative OS mastermind. It's sad.

Secondly, the comment about your writing not being clear is refering to the post where you practically claimed to use OGGenc for MP3s.

"but why to rip MP3's........ not that it matters, Cdparanoia, oggenc, and k3b are all I need......."

suckthismeat
January 2nd, 2004, 08:06
the point was simple, Why pay for MP3's , I mentioned those as that is what I use, unless I want what even ogg cant give me, then I use Flac

as to the point about nero, here let me help you
" Is it your job to troll around the forums name-dropping open source programs you've probably never used"

well nero is FAR from Open Source, and for that matter Neither is MusicMatch or MediaPlayer - both of which were mentioned for the same reason.... FREE RIPPING, I could care less about the format at the moment, the fact is WINAMP wants MONEY to RIP a cd a free service offered by others

Jay
January 2nd, 2004, 08:09
"but why to rip MP3's........ not that it matters, Cdparanoia, oggenc, and k3b are all I need......."

So you were NOT saying that you use OGGenc?.....

Jet Set Willy
January 2nd, 2004, 08:17
Originally posted by suckthismeat@Jan 2 2004, 07:06 AM
the point was simple, Why pay for MP3's , I mentioned those as that is what I use, unless I want what even ogg cant give me, then I use Flac

as to the point about nero, here let me help you
" Is it your job to troll around the forums name-dropping open source programs you've probably never used"

well nero is FAR from Open Source, and for that matter Neither is MusicMatch or MediaPlayer - both of which were mentioned for the same reason.... FREE RIPPING, I could care less about the format at the moment, the fact is WINAMP wants MONEY to RIP a cd a free service offered by others
I wasn't refering to Nero when I complained about your name-dropping. That's obvious enough, isn't it? You don't take criticism and then try to apply it to every entity in a sentence.

You seem to have one thought going around and around in your head.

-Somebody complains about your zealous listing: You start rambling about open source.

-Somebody accuses you of talking nonsense: You start rambling about open source.

-Somebody tells you to stop imposing standards on people for which desktop enviroment they use, when you haven't even tried the 'alternatives' yourself: You start rambling about open source.


OKAY. WE GET IT. OPEN SOURCE. THANKS. Believe it or not, other people dual boot too. I had Linux as my sole OS for over a year. I DIDN'T FEEL THE NEED TO POINT IT OUT AT EVERY POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY. If you would be a little less zealous and a bit more legible, I might have more patience with you.

Screw this, I'm tired, I can't even type a straight sentence. Say what the fuck you like.

suckthismeat
January 2nd, 2004, 08:32
yes I did say I use Oggenc, because I do, it is a fair alternative to MP3, and I appologize for people who took that as meaning an mp3 encoder.

as to wazwaz, let me see here, you stated that I was hear dropping open source, well I do WHEN it provides a better alternative - paying $15 dollars for a free product/service is NOT a better alternative. ALSO if you will note in EVERY instance where I have mentioned an Open Source Alternative, I have ALSO listed a Closed Source - ex. Nero, MusicMatch, and WMP. so dumb fuck. when you accused me of merely dropping opensource names YOU WERE WRONG.

and it seems to me that your ONLY bitch is that you don't think I use any of those myself, well as the co-founder of soon to be linuxusersonline.com (host and Admin of all downloads, and admin on the forums) I can assure you I have used, and will continue to use OpenSource when it works better than the closed source alternative. When Closed source has something I want I use it, ex. I still play games, UT2k3 Tron2.0 etc. I won't be playing those under winex for sometime (please note WINEX is NOT open source, it is covered by the Aladin GPL license which basically calls it Trial unless you pay - which also allows for better compatability, but that is for a different forum) - As I mentioned in the other thread, I will get you screen shots and prove to you that your only bitch has holes, lots of them.....(the only reason I wont right now is that I am in WInXP right now)

ScotchGuy
January 2nd, 2004, 08:38
Originally posted by suckthismeat@Jan 1 2004, 11:32 PM
so dumb fuck. when you accused me of merely dropping opensource names YOU WERE WRONG.

and it seems to me that your ONLY bitch is that you don't think I use any of those myself, well as the co-founder of soon to be linuxusersonline.com (host and Admin of all downloads, and admin on the forums)

As I mentioned in the other thread, I will get you screen shots and prove to you that your only bitch has holes, lots of them.....(the only reason I wont right now is that I am in WInXP right now)
No, you were name dropping, don't you remember your original post? It's not an opinion this is a fact, you can't argue about it.

Oooooh, we're all real impressed. So you not only name drop open source programs but now you're trying to brag about your powers at shitty websites? Good for you. Wow, that's quite a site you got there. I should buy the domain "reallyrichandgoodlookingpeople.com" then I suppose that would mean I represent the name, right? Just because you bought a domain name involving Linux doesn't mean you know what you're talking about or you even use Linux.

No need to supply screen shots, no one cares, at all.

suckthismeat
January 2nd, 2004, 08:53
look, the original post was not here to tell people "use this its better" it was there to point out something noone else mentioned - THEY want us to PAY to RIP music. and for that matter to burn them... and Like I said then and will now, the whole point was why pay when even windows has free alternatives, or alternatives that you may have already - ex, WMP and NERO - nero comes with most cd/dvd burneres now and WMP comes with windows - why pay nullsoft to do the same thing you have been doing w/o winamp5?

the point was never - heres linux let me shove it down your throat.

you ppl are focusing on the wrong aspect of the post.

El Fugitivo
January 2nd, 2004, 10:29
suckthismeat: the point is that Nullsoft are turning what used to be a simple mp3 player into an all-in-one a/v device. That's why they're charging money for it. It makes perfect sense, and is not a cheap attempt to cash in on the Winamp name. It's like Trillian, which took a bunch of IM and chat services and rolled them into one easy to use program. They charge because what they are doing is making it easier for the end user to do what they want without searching around for a bunch of different programs (in Winamp5's case, it is meant to replace mp3 players, video players, ripping programs and burning programs). So what if they charge for some of the more advanced features? They still put out a good base product for free, which is the exact same thing Trillian does. Why aren't you bitching about it?

I'd be willing to bet that there're at most two or three members on this forum who actually purchased Winamp5 Pro. Most of us don't want or need it. But some people do, and I'd rather have my grandma buy and use it for all her media needs than try to set up and show her how to use Nero, EAC, Winamp 2.x, and BSPlayer. There's a specific market for all-in-one programs like this, and while I generally don't care for them, it's a much more convenient, less aggravating way for many people to get their feet wet.



Edit: By the way, I've never seen Nero bundled with either CD burners or pre-built PCs. All of my friends and relatives got Roxio's EZ CD Creator or whatever similar products out there with their burners.

Lefteris_D
January 2nd, 2004, 11:07
It's all a matter of the hardware manufacturer:
My old HP CD burner had ECDC 3.5
My new sony B's Recorder GOLD5
My friends Plextor... Nero 6

suckthismeat
January 3rd, 2004, 02:02
All I know is that 2 of my last 3 have come with nero - the one that didn't was Hp's Vertias I think....

And while all in one may have its place, I dont see why we have to pay to merely rip the cd's, MusicMatch forinstance, will allow you to rip anything you want to, an even burn them, but both have limited rates unless you pay. Also, If I remeber correctly, WMP 9 will do all of it now for free(rip play and burn).

As to trilliian, I use the free version of it, which seems to do everything I need it to, except for webcams and the like(though that could be a problem with my hardware--it doesn't really like Winxp.). I don't really care, as I don't use it that much. Even at that, Trillian wasn't part of the topic. I had no reason to mention it.

Jet Set Willy
January 3rd, 2004, 04:27
I thought you used Gentoo? It would be Gaim or CenterICQ, surely.

suckthismeat
January 3rd, 2004, 05:22
well no it wouldnt if I use msn messenger service....
and I mentioned before I dual boot didnt I?
Oh and by the way, Winex (which I ALSO mentioned before) runs trillian very, very well.

Find something else to bitch about

--edited for clarity of msn service--

Jet Set Willy
January 3rd, 2004, 05:26
That's the version with added clarity?!

Gaim works fine with MSN. CenterICQ just removed it all, I think.

Anyway, my point is that for somebody who so much enjoyed imposing standards on everybody for the computing enviroment they choose, you sure do like booting into Windows a lot.

suckthismeat
January 3rd, 2004, 05:34
Originally posted by WazWaz@Jan 3 2004, 04:26 AM
That's the version with added clarity?!

Gaim works fine with MSN. CenterICQ just removed it all, I think.

Anyway, my point is that for somebody who so much enjoyed imposing standards on everybody for the computing enviroment they choose, you sure do like booting into Windows a lot.
hold on here, I like this one.

GAIM which is AIM - AOL INSTANT MESSENGER - for linux, SUX BALLS!
Last time I used it, it had no features at all, sending/reciving files - automatic list download, anything. I am not about to waste my time rebulding my buddy list.

Everybuddy, which does suppport almost all of them tends not to like list downloads either, and thats WHEN it can connect to the service.

I can still use trillian, AIM, YahooIM, and ICQ (all from windows) under winex, thats what I pay them for, so no I dont HAVE to boot to windows, I do occasionnaly to use the few features that trillian cant seem to use (in the free version anyways)

are you done bitching yet about my use of free software?

Jet Set Willy
January 3rd, 2004, 05:42
I'm not bitching, you're just very defensive (and incoherrent). I hope you realise that you won't get far if you can't handle a little criticism.

Gaim isn't AIM, it's just an unfortunate acronym. Don't go talking about things you don't understand. It's the exact same thing as Trillian - a plugin framework for instant messaging. Yes, it is pretty crap, but apparently the last time you used it was years ago, since all of those features have been implemented for ages. Stop commenting on things you don't use.

Yes, I get the message about WineX. I think it's quite funny that you use the gaming version of Wine for applications, though.

Don't be so defensive, it's annoying. Just calm down and discuss things honestly without a tirade of bullshit.

suckthismeat
January 3rd, 2004, 05:51
your right, I havent used gaim in a long time, for the same reason I mentioned, at that time it was only a very poor port of the real AIM, and I found that AOL ported there own version which worked a lot better.

I can't say anything current about it, as I don't use it.

The only reason Winex is used for trillian is 1) I stoped using the free wine a long time ago and 2) WineX is has extra software for compatability, why not use it.... better than tryin to run everything in vmware(too slow to run windows on linux) or some other overpriced shit.

even at that I use winex for games like UT. So far it seems to do it all well, except for MS games (AOE/Rise of Nations/ etc).

Jet Set Willy
January 3rd, 2004, 06:04
I never liked the way they tried to distribute WineX very much. At the time I tried to use it, if you wanted the 'free' version of WineX you had to go through some nasty round-a-bout way of installing, which really pissed me off. It also didn't play nice with my existing Wine installation, but that may have been due to my distro at the time.

Now we're best friends. Let's camp out in my garden.

suckthismeat
January 3rd, 2004, 06:07
I dunno bout that camping out bit....

but either way, I found out the easiest way to use winex - pay the 15 bucks, get the tar.gz version (you dont have to build anything just extract in root directory) and cancel the membership after 3 months

--edit--

The only other distro I have used it on is Suse 8.0 pro w/o any problems. but I will soon be trying it on MDK 9.2.

ScotchGuy
January 3rd, 2004, 06:25
Don't disrespect Waz by not accepting his invitation to go camping in his garden. It's a great garden, fu©ke®.

Jet Set Willy
January 3rd, 2004, 06:38
I'm really hurt. I was going to let him see my fort, too. :(

I tried installing it on SuSE 7.1, which was pretty ancient even at the time. Their method of installing just wouldn't work on that system without me hunting out a lot of packages and source balls, most of which had a bunch of dependencies each. I wasn't really prepared to pay money for something I couldn't succesfully run, and all I wanted to do was play Baldur's Gate anyway.

Jay
January 3rd, 2004, 06:43
Yup, damn fine garden. I used to enjoy going there until Waz caught me stealing buds from his marijuana plants. :P

Jet Set Willy
January 3rd, 2004, 06:46
Hah, like anything could grow outside in this country's weather.

I've actually been looking into growing pot, but
1) I've more interesting things I'd like to grow
2) It's not a particularly interesting drug
3) This is so off-topic. I'm sorry. We should reply in Honka if we want to continue this discussion.

Jay
January 3rd, 2004, 06:50
I never really got WINE to work right, although I didn't really try very hard. I also couldn't get my modem to work so I kind of lost interest in it until I get one that works in Linux. I got it to run Windows notepad and a few programs that were single executable files.

EDIT: Your right, very off topic.

Jet Set Willy
January 3rd, 2004, 06:53
I learned more about Linux trying to make my WinModem work than I did through anything else. Great fun.

Jay
January 3rd, 2004, 06:58
I actually have a hardware modem, but for some reason it refuses to work. I tried it in Slackware 9.0. My friend who gave me the modem (because I had a winmodem) said he used to use it in Slackware 7.1 (I think). The modem says it's ready but it won't initialize, it just stalls. I'm a real novice at Linux so aside from making the symlink or trying different scripts I really don't know what to do to make it work.

EDIT: spelling...

suckthismeat
January 3rd, 2004, 08:54
is the modem setup for PnP or is it forced to a port? either way, try forcing it to com3 (if it is an isa modem)

If it is PCI, and NOT USRobotics, I dont have a clue...

I personally use the usrobotics hardware based pci modem and have never had any problems. Just ISA in PnP mode.

suckthismeat
January 3rd, 2004, 09:49
ok, I downloaded winamp 5 free version finaly....
1st I would like to note that it looks too much like MusicMatch (by the default settings)

but more importantly - what the hell is the AAC codec? I have never heard of such a thing, and to note a minor error in my thoughts about Winamp5 - You only have to pay to rip to mp3, not to AAC or WAV. Though I don't see a point to using either one unless AAC is a better codec.....

ScotchGuy
January 3rd, 2004, 09:53
Um, switch to the Classic skin, use any of the 2.X or 3.X skins. You don't need to use the modern skin.

suckthismeat
January 3rd, 2004, 09:55
I got that, just a little note that the modern skin sux

--edit--

at this point I just want to know what the story is behind the AAC codec. Is it worth a shit or should we just ignore the fact that it exists?

ScotchGuy
January 3rd, 2004, 09:56
That it does.

suckthismeat
January 3rd, 2004, 10:24
hmm, AAC is apparently the codec standard for mpeg2 and 4, as well as XM radio.... also I encoded Godsmack @128k/sec and It doesn't sound too bad... Might be worth it merely for the codecs

El Fugitivo
January 3rd, 2004, 10:30
Isn't AAC Apple's audio format?

suckthismeat
January 3rd, 2004, 10:39
I dunno, sounded to me from the site aac-standard (http://www.vialicensing.com/products/mpeg4aac/standard.html) that it was developed by Dolby Labs, Licesnsed to apple, and implemented into Mpeg2/4 and XM... but I could have misread it

El Fugitivo
January 3rd, 2004, 10:47
What I meant was it was the one that they used for stuff and things. I didn't realise it was used for mpeg, and I can't say as I've ever used XM. You learn something new (almost) every day.

suckthismeat
January 3rd, 2004, 11:35
yeah its used in quicktime and on the ipod

Jay
January 3rd, 2004, 14:32
Originally posted by suckthismeat@Jan 3 2004, 02:54 AM
is the modem setup for PnP or is it forced to a port? either way, try forcing it to com3 (if it is an isa modem)

If it is PCI, and NOT USRobotics, I dont have a clue...

I personally use the usrobotics hardware based pci modem and have never had any problems. Just ISA in PnP mode.
It is US Robotics as a matter of fact.

suckthismeat
January 3rd, 2004, 22:23
then it should be supported directly by the kernel as a pci communications device on COM5(ttyS4) or at least thats how mine comes up... and kppp won't use com5 directly, you have to sym llink /dev/modem to /dev/ttyS4

Jet Set Willy
January 7th, 2004, 07:51
An interesting thing (perhaps) is that Winamp 2 put µ-ziq at the bottom of the playlist, Winamp 3 put it at the top, and now it's back at the bottom in Winamp 5.

El Fugitivo
January 7th, 2004, 08:04
Yeah, that was really interesting, Waz. :rolleyes:


heh, actually that is kind of odd. I wonder what it does with other symbols.

Codeine
January 7th, 2004, 08:15
Make up a band and find out!

M.H.A.Q.S.
January 7th, 2004, 10:27
I think most of the time, Winamp5 resembles Winamp2. So what Waz said


An interesting thing (perhaps) is that Winamp 2 put µ-ziq at the bottom of the playlist, Winamp 3 put it at the top, and now it's back at the bottom in Winamp 5.

I think Winamp2 has something to do with this.

Jet Set Willy
January 7th, 2004, 11:02
Yes, along with Winamp 3 and Winamp 5.

ScotchGuy
January 7th, 2004, 23:36
Epiphany: Winamp2 + Winamp3 = Winamp5

It makes sense since 5 really is a hybird of the two, and of course because 2 + 3 = 5.

I rest my case.

M.H.A.Q.S.
January 8th, 2004, 11:20
Epiphany: Winamp2 + Winamp3 = Winamp5

It makes sense since 5 really is a hybird of the two, and of course because 2 + 3 = 5.

I rest my case.

You read my mind.

Protagonist
January 8th, 2004, 11:25
But, according to your beloved Radiohead, 2 + 2 =5, ScotchGuy.

ScotchGuy
January 8th, 2004, 11:28
<_< I will eat your face.

Protagonist
January 8th, 2004, 11:32
Make sure to "shove it in your mouth".

M.H.A.Q.S.
January 8th, 2004, 11:35
2+2=5 is true.

Protagonist
January 8th, 2004, 11:38
Just to let you know............. I&#39;m not a veg&#39;table....

ScotchGuy
January 8th, 2004, 11:41
Originally posted by Protagonist@Jan 8 2004, 02:32 AM
Make sure to "shove it in your mouth".
Well, "I&#39;m a reasonable man, get off my case".

bison328
June 3rd, 2004, 17:43
I really love Winamp since the lite one is more useful
and spend less system resource...

Today I just help my roommate download it...
He prefers the function of using broadhand...