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Jet Set Willy
November 20th, 2003, 23:16
Tens of thousands of people are stalking him protesting right now. I'd really like an assasination during this visit, or at least an attempt.

El Fugitivo
November 20th, 2003, 23:23
Heh, he has something like 700 armed troops travelling with him, I hear. And he's visiting a supposedly friendly country.

DanielW
November 20th, 2003, 23:24
keep in mind that every president that was elected in a "0" year. has been either assassinated or died in office, except raegan, who survived the attampt on his life.

btw some of the presidents died of natural causes.

Badger
November 20th, 2003, 23:47
The Sun (a right wing and very xenophobic tabloid in the UK) is trying to pass off that the majority of the UK like Bush (80% in some of the polls they show)... I would like to find these people that think he is a good President, I haven't met any.

Zach
November 21st, 2003, 01:14
I don't like him, or the way he works.

But if people would watch his speeches and actually listen to him trying to explain how he feels, without the negative mindset; they might understand him a little better. I did.

From what I hear the UK didn't exactly like Reagan either. But he was charasmatic and got out and talked to people about his visision, and became far more accepted for it.

Bush is simply a no bullshit person who isn't afraid of what the rest of the world thinks about him. Frankly, the world needs more leaders with that one specific trait.


He aint perfect, and I'm not endorsing him. But fuck it, whatever.

Jet Set Willy
November 21st, 2003, 01:22
A lot of stupid people like to blindly believe that whatever they say is right/correct. That's not an admirable trait in my opinion.

Zach
November 21st, 2003, 01:59
I think he is slightly more intelligent than people give him credit for.

I don't think any of us can really say for sure unless we know and talk to him.

Of course, actions speak louder than words. He has initiated some "unpopular" actions recently. Only time will tell if those actions were for the better.

I don't understand some of the protesters.

They are screaming about "stop the war" when its over. And its almost like they are defending the fucking maniac we removed from power.

Do I agree he should have been removed from power?
Yes.

Do I believe that he had WMD's that were an immediate threat?
No, I think it was a bullshit excuse.

Thats what I think he should be held accountable for, and what he should be criticized for.

THe funny thing about people is they will make noise just to get into the spot light, even if they don't understand what the fuck they are making noise about. If people want to protest theys hould protest about the WMD's we still haven't found.

But to stand up and call him a tyrant for liberating a country, despite whatever ulterior motives people may suspect; is just fucking ludicris. He may want their oil, and he may want to establish another base to backup Israel with or whatever. But the fact is this.

Iraq is free. Most of the people there ARE happy they are free. The soldiers there seem to believe in what they are doing, and made an effort outright to get involved with the local communities.

Bush made a good point about suicide bombings lately. Turkey is being bombed to shit, Bali has been bombed, Iraq is being bombed to shit, we've been attacked on a grand scale - what happens next when people start bombing Britain and they aren't the IRA ?

What happens when Germany starts getting bombed, (I dare not say france cause they might as well harbor terrorists), or any other countries ?

Will the UK resent Bush more? Will those countries? Will they back out and refuse to stand with the USA ?

What will happen ? The coalition will fall apart. America will become a fortress state, and we will start taking suicide attacks every other day.

A wedge will be driven between the rest of the world and America, a damn big wedge. Thats what the terrorists WANT.

And thats why we should all try to be a little more understanding of the situation of the world. Despite what you think of Bush, or his motives, and despite what the next preseident, or the one after that does.

Because once you can be damn sure, if they bring down America, they will come for your ass next.

Thats why I think we should stick together. And if America becomes some BS global control freak, well the rest of the world will eventually rise up against us. We took down Germany, the world can sure as hell take down America. No country lasts forever.

I think this should be my last post. I've made all my points. I fucking hate politics, and I just can't keep my mouth shut.

I hope people can at least try to understand what I am getting at

MONKEY_NUTS
November 21st, 2003, 02:27
Where is clinton!! :angry:

ScotchGuy
November 21st, 2003, 03:49
From the looks of it Bush's trip is a success!

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November 21st, 2003, 10:04
How idiotic is it that 27 people died in Turkey because of the way some people &#39;expressed their dissaproval&#39; of current foreign policies. I hope some military group will &#39;express their dissaproval&#39; of their training camps soon.

Neko Koneko
November 21st, 2003, 13:27
Originally posted by Waz@Nov 20 2003, 11:16 PM
Tens of thousands of people are stalking him protesting right now. I&#39;d really like an assasination during this visit, or at least an attempt.
What&#39;s holding you back?

Jet Set Willy
November 21st, 2003, 13:34
You&#39;re a moron. Just because I want something to happen doesn&#39;t mean I want to do it myself. I doubt you could ever understand the difference between wanting a very unstable person to do something incredibly devastating, and wanting it enough to do it yourself. Until you can participate in a conversation without sounding like a 10 year old, stay away.

Neko Koneko
November 21st, 2003, 14:07
You are a moron for actually taking that post serious enough to come up with such a response.

Jet Set Willy
November 21st, 2003, 14:09
Originally posted by Neko Koneko@Nov 21 2003, 01:07 PM
You are a moron for actually taking that post serious enough to come up with such a response.
I can&#39;t believe how well you manage to fulfill your "No, you are&#33;" quota when you post a reply. It&#39;s shocking, you really are quite simple.

M.H.A.Q.S.
November 21st, 2003, 16:34
Waz I&#39;m with you.

Zach
November 21st, 2003, 17:15
Attention:

Would those with the brain capacity of a bowl of peas please exit this conversation ?

Thank you.

TGS
November 21st, 2003, 17:21
Time will tell Neco, there&#39;s no use in arguing about WMD&#39;s and the Iraq situation now. Bump this topic in 2 years, ok?

DanielW
November 21st, 2003, 17:54
http://www.whnpa.org/events/thanksgiving.jpg

Neko Koneko
November 21st, 2003, 18:05
Originally posted by Waz+Nov 21 2003, 02:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Waz @ Nov 21 2003, 02:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Neko Koneko@Nov 21 2003, 01:07 PM
You are a moron for actually taking that post serious enough to come up with such a response.
I can&#39;t believe how well you manage to fulfill your "No, you are&#33;" quota when you post a reply. It&#39;s shocking, you really are quite simple. [/b][/quote]
It&#39;s so funny to see that you always use the same old lame excuse when you&#39;re being a twat waz. You always say that I say "no you" while you&#39;re doing it yourself aswell. Go fuck your mom waz.

Zach
November 21st, 2003, 18:12
ughh man

just go back to fucking pedophile-suki already, jesus

Jet Set Willy
November 21st, 2003, 18:41
No Blackdemon, I only point it out because I&#39;m astounded that you&#39;re so predictable. It&#39;s bad enough to do what you do once, but you do it each and every time WITHOUT FAIL.

Jet Set Willy
November 21st, 2003, 18:43
Neco, it&#39;s not fair to called Neko Koneko a pedophile. Pedophiles need to have the ability to outwit children to win their confidence, and that&#39;s way beyond our learned friend here.

Zach
November 21st, 2003, 19:32
:(

TGS
November 21st, 2003, 20:16
Go fuck your mom waz

Jet Set Willy
November 21st, 2003, 20:35
I have to admit that I&#39;ve not been paying enough attention to the sickening incest portion of my lifestyle. Better go and grease up the parental unit, then.

Mourgos
November 22nd, 2003, 01:21
Let me see.USA has more nuclear ,chemical or any other type of weapons than any other country on the world.It has also done more wars the last decades than any other country on the world and has killed more innocent people than any other country on the world because of "accidents" in order to "free" people from their leaders that don&#39;t cooperate with the US while they play dump and don&#39;t say a word when it comes to the dictators they bring on power in other countries in order to control them.The US is trully "threatened" all the time from bad people that want to take their liberty away yet it seems that they have never had war on their grounds (fighting on other contries is just to defend their poor and weak country and not imperialism as some bad-terrorists people say.
Oh and let me see ...the people they "liberate" is trully happy though the Yugoslavians that where "liberated" just before the Iraqish from their "dictator" refuse to vote for the third time to elect their president-but don&#39;t think it&#39;s because they want to protest in that way,they just forgot to vote.Oh the US has more casualties by now than those it had on the first year of the Vietnam war-but then again this isn&#39;t either the Iraqish fighting for their freedom ,it&#39;s just the work of a few terrorists.And I guess that the pictures of the dead children of iraq never comes to your countries because your leaders don&#39;t want to spoil your appetite.

And then the US with their elected presidents tells us that the greatest threat for world peace is terrorism.I just wonder who the terrorist really is.
And I also wonder who are more stupid the people like Bush that tells those bullshit(who is a true king of idiocy) or the people that believe and votes them.

At some time all this idiocy must be paid back .

Badger
November 22nd, 2003, 01:45
You live in Pakistan, right?

I find your views interesting as you are in an area more affected by this war on terror than any of us. I am guessing that your views echo what most people in your country think? Your, English is pretty bad, but I get what your talking about.

Until the west stop trying to force western ideals on others countries (mostly Muslim), then there is never going to be any peace.. People naturally reject getting told what to do, a small scale example of this being Lefteris on here. He patronizes us, suppresses us, shows favoritism to others, etc, and not many of us like it much. Ok, itís a pretty shitty example, but you get the jest of what I mean.

Zach
November 22nd, 2003, 01:45
Far be it from someone who cannot form proper sentences or spell words corrently, to belittle someone else as stupid.

Where exactly did you get your information anyway? Some third world text book?

Killed more innocent people in history than any other country ? Thats laughable at best.

And are you trying to DEFEND Milosevic ? Give me a fucking break dude. He was murdering thousands and comitting genocide infront of the whole fucking world. I don&#39;t know what the problem is with their elections, but it could be anything from bully tactics to reduce turnout to just plain idiotic people. Thats their fucking problem.

Never had a war on our own soil ? I&#39;m not going to dignify that one with a response.

We&#39;ve seen war in America just as much as the rest of the world. Many Americans have died for other countries as well as for their own country, and it is just plain stupid to think anyone on this planet except a maniac doesn&#39;t understand what war is. The difference between us and the rest of the world is, we are determined not to be the guys having our asses handed to us overnight like other countries throughout history.

and FUCK FUCKS SAKE USE PARAGRAPHS

Mourgos
November 22nd, 2003, 02:14
I&#39;m from Greece and facts are facts wether you believe them or not .
But alright you hane had war on your soil that is true,but big deal.Most countries have had wars on their soil to protect their freedom ten times more than you have and Greece is one of them.
What your country likes to do is sending its mercenaries all over the world and watch the massacre live on CNN.
As for Milosevic I wan&#39;t even bother to tell anything other than that :if his actions where hitleric-which they where -they where done just in one country .Your actions are equally disgusting and are suppressing the whole world.
And if you don&#39;t believe me I&#39;ll just tell you that your country supported -unofficially yet trully nevertheless-the dictatorship that arose on Geece at th 1970 .That&#39;s not a very kindhearted or defending action is it ?
Oh before I forget it the same people that you are now calling terrorists are the ones that you brought to power to fight the soviet union for you,and their barbaric ways didn&#39;t seem to bother the US then .

Zach
November 22nd, 2003, 02:34
Just remember the world is a two way street.

Americas time will come. I hope to fuck I aint around to see it. But the fact of the matter is this.

Terrorism is a threat to everyone.
If everyone abondons the U.S and we fall ito obvlision, or a wreck of a country, who is going to stick up for the world ? Can&#39;t call the Americans if they are busy fighting terrorists by themselves with a country in shambles.

The common theme will be "Damn we really fucked ourselves". America is a double edged sword. We need the world just as much as the world needs us.

The problem with a lot of the world is they cannot see the bigger picture. Countries that isolate each other will become weak and perrish. Americans are not the only christians in the world either, nor are they the only ones the terrorists despise. If America should ever become an irrelevant part of the picture, you can be damn sure the terrorists will start on the next country, and the next, and the next, and the next.

This is not a time to bitch and moan. Its a time to pull together and get things under control.

ScotchGuy
November 22nd, 2003, 03:11
Originally posted by Mourgos@Nov 21 2003, 04:21 PM
Let me see.USA has more nuclear ,chemical or any other type of weapons than any other country on the world.It has also done more wars the last decades than any other country on the world and has killed more innocent people than any other country on the world because of "accidents" in order to "free" people from their leaders that don&#39;t cooperate with the US while they play dump and don&#39;t say a word when it comes to the dictators they bring on power in other countries in order to control them.The US is trully "threatened" all the time from bad people that want to take their liberty away yet it seems that they have never had war on their grounds (fighting on other contries is just to defend their poor and weak country and not imperialism as some bad-terrorists people say.
Oh and let me see ...the people they "liberate" is trully happy though the Yugoslavians that where "liberated" just before the Iraqish from their "dictator" refuse to vote for the third time to elect their president-but don&#39;t think it&#39;s because they want to protest in that way,they just forgot to vote.Oh the US has more casualties by now than those it had on the first year of the Vietnam war-but then again this isn&#39;t either the Iraqish fighting for their freedom ,it&#39;s just the work of a few terrorists.And I guess that the pictures of the dead children of iraq never comes to your countries because your leaders don&#39;t want to spoil your appetite.

And then the US with their elected presidents tells us that the greatest threat for world peace is terrorism.I just wonder who the terrorist really is.
And I also wonder who are more stupid the people like Bush that tells those bullshit(who is a true king of idiocy) or the people that believe and votes them.

At some time all this idiocy must be paid back .
Iraqish? Sorry, I&#39;m afraid that is not a word. Would you like to remove an &#39;h&#39;?

I would like to know where you got your stats, the Vietnam war was a complete failure, that was something to actually protest against. The fact is that Saddam was obviously not a threat to the U.S., as you have pointed out. He was however a threat to his own people, the amounts of public executions and tales of Saddam and his sons terrorizing people is huge. I saw some footage on the telly that just made me cringe, he actually had people shoved off of buildings 30 feet high with their hands and legs bound. Ugh, it was awful and it was all public. They also showed part of a beheading, but cut away before it showed anything too nasty, something Al-Jazeera television couldn&#39;t have been bothered to do.

Zach
November 22nd, 2003, 03:15
63 people died the first year of the Vietnam war, if thats what you were inquiring about.

Found it hard to believe myself at first.

But his point in that regard is totally irrelveant

ScotchGuy
November 22nd, 2003, 03:23
Still, only 63 :o

El Fugitivo
November 22nd, 2003, 22:19
Well, it depends on which year you consider the "first" of the Vietnam War. Since we never made a proclamation of war, we never were officially at war. And before the big infantry push there were many aerial missions. Before the air missions we sent in military personnel to advise and train the South Vietnamese. Before that, the French got fucked there. I&#39;m curious to see which year you are referring to, Neco, though please don&#39;t take offense to this, I&#39;m merely laying out how it might be hard to judge this particular statistic.

Zach
November 23rd, 2003, 00:10
http://www.grunt.com/vietnamwarcasualites.htm