Should I start banning people who claim to have 360/PS3 emulators?

[onewecallgod]

Enjoy this rare opportunity for democracy.

[ulaoulao]

I vote yes! Not like you can expect then to read a rule, even if its plastered on there forehead.

[FatTrucker]

Its a double edged sword. I would definitely be in favour of banning numpties claiming they have a working 360/PS3 emulator as it causes confusion among the uninitiated, wastes peoples time, will inevtiably generate pointless support requests etc.

However the other side of the coin is that there are likely to be a number of excited but otherwise harmless users posting here after seeing shill vids on Youtube and not realising that they are fake.

I would be in favour of a warning followed by a ban in cases linking vids and outright bans to any users claiming to have it working.

[ulaoulao]

However the other side of the coin is that there are likely to be a number of excited but otherwise harmless users posting here after seeing shill vids on Youtube and not realising that they are fake. Hey now, you can mix flipping coins with reversing swords? LOL

This is true, but do we really want that kind here? I truly do like a forum with a lot of members, but a lot of good members. I hardly ever have a question anymore and feel I give more then take on this board. So in that I'm a bit biased I will admin. I do love to help where I can but get sick of people that jut cant take the time to read or think before posting. Granted you cant stop that, but things like this help and that I'm im favor of.

[FatTrucker]

TBH mate in the main, people looking for support are going to be people new to the scene or kids looking for freebies. I'm all for banning people who don't heed a friendly warning but I think an immediate ban would also catch out the uninitiated who might otherwise be perfectly good users.

You're obviously not familiar with the ancient coinblades we use over here in blighty!. :msn_tongu

[ulaoulao]

You're obviously not familiar with the ancient coinblades we use over here in blighty!. nice!

"good users" will seldom advertise silly posts like a 360 emulator. I dont think that end of the blade is sharp enough.

[onewecallgod]

You know, I think a thread close and an infraction is good enough. Seems like the people who I infract, but would've rather banned, don't seem to come back anyways.

[ulaoulao]

Good point, or perhaps that fact they had no purpose here in the first place, thus not returning.

[Mupen64 Man]

I voted yes, but is there really much point? I haven't seen anyone claiming that they did have Ps3/360 emulators. Why? Is that like the latest bot advertisement fad? Or is it like a rogue link to a Malware infested website?

[onewecallgod]

You haven't seen them because I've deleted some, maybe all, can't remember.

[ulaoulao]

Mupen64 Man, the latest kick is this stupid video of a 360 video file. Its rapped in a emu like frame. My guess is a ruse, but even if it is an emu, so what, it plays videos... How cares..

[Lukong]

NO cause at first I thought there was no good PS2 Emulator or the DS roms were all corrupted and I was look for the next NO$GBA emulator for DS, but I tried and found them someone out there will have a PS3/Xbox 360 emulators its just that it may take time due to the fact that the newer the system the harder it becomes to work. YES cause I heard NO$GBA 2.7 was coming out and then I was informed that the NO$GBA 2.7 was a fonney.

[Mupen64 Man]

Ah, All right. Thanks for answering my questions. Yeah, you should totally ban them, it would just create a flood of new members with the same question.

[FatTrucker]

NO cause at first I thought there was no good PS2 Emulator or the DS roms were all corrupted and I was look for the next NO$GBA emulator for DS, but I tried and found them someone out there will have a PS3/Xbox 360 emulators its just that it may take time due to the fact that the newer the system the harder it becomes to work. YES cause I heard NO$GBA 2.7 was coming out and then I was informed that the NO$GBA 2.7 was a fonney.

The point is that there are currently no 360/PS3 emulators that play games yet people persist in posting links to fake vids pretending to have working emulators. Some people seem to get off on that kind of thing.....no idea why since it just makes them look like mugs.
When/If there is progress in the 360/PS3 arena then it will be a valid subject for discussion, for now though it just clutters the boards with people talking b*ll*cks and spreading misinformation which is why users spreading that misinformation need to stop or begone.

[ulaoulao]

From wiki : ps2 CPU 300 MHz

From a source about the wii

Acording tho the Nintendo Wii Wiki. The Wii comes with either of the two processors listed below.

CPU: PowerPC-based "Broadway" processor, made with a 90 nm SOI CMOS process, reportedly? clocked at 729 MHz[56]
-or-
GPU: ATI "Hollywood" GPU made with a 90 nm CMOS process,[57] reportedly? clocked at 243 MHz[56]



Both of these are some what emulatable on a 2 gig + system with dual core.


---now---

ps3: CPU 3.2 GHz Cell Broadband Engine with 1 PPE & 7 SPEs

360: cpu 3.2 GHz PowerPC Tri-Core Xenon


.. pause... as you can see it takes 3 times the computer to emulate the wii or ps2. WHAT THE F*CK makes you think it will emulate a ps3 or 360. Get a friggen clue people! Ok maybe due to the fact xbox's are a computer in a box, but using high level emulation not a change.

[FatTrucker]

From wiki : ps2 CPU 300 MHz

From a source about the wii




Both of these are some what emulatable on a 2 gig + system with dual core.


---now---

ps3: CPU 3.2 GHz Cell Broadband Engine with 1 PPE & 7 SPEs

360: cpu 3.2 GHz PowerPC Tri-Core Xenon


.. pause... as you can see it takes 3 times the computer to emulate the wii or ps2. WHAT THE F*CK makes you think it will emulate a ps3 or 360. Get a friggen clue people! Ok maybe due to the fact xbox's are a computer in a box, but using high level emulation not a change.

Its because most people don't understand what's involved in making an emulator. The fact a system has to be reverse engineered and then coded so a PC does exactly the same things using no proprietary code, emulating all the consoles hardware functions in software. Todays machines could technically run PS3 and 360 games, but not on an emulator and anyone writing code that simulates rather than emulates (which is the only way to achieve it) would be sued off the face of the earth by Sony/M$.

[ulaoulao]

I would never expect a newbie to go in to that type of detail. Its very common knowledge that you need a powerful computer to run an emulator. Sure some wont know that, but by in large its not high level science. If a computer game does not run well , changes are your under powered. Same goes for emulators. If a p2p is struggling on a 3 gig system, a ps3 is not going to be any better. Its simple math, nothing hi tech.

Not that I disagree with you, or wanting an argument, just sustaining my post, and my point. Its nothing complex.

[FatTrucker]

I would never expect a newbie to go in to that type of detail. Its very common knowledge that you need a powerful computer to run an emulator. Sure some wont know that, but by in large its not high level science. If a computer game does not run well , changes are your under powered. Same goes for emulators. If a p2p is struggling on a 3 gig system, a ps3 is not going to be any better. Its simple math, nothing hi tech.

Not that I disagree with you, or wanting an argument, just sustaining my post, and my point. Its nothing complex.

Yep. I agree. It will be a fair while yet before there is tech that can handle it, if ever since the future is in multiple cores now the thermal barrier has been hit in terms of speed. it means the approach to emulation will have to be different to just waiting for processor speeds to catch up as it has in the past.

[ulaoulao]

it means the approach to emulation will have to be different You mean to go back to the way it was prior to ultraHLE, the dawn of high level emulation. True opt code handling and read, the way it should be done. Though, total respect for those that have gave us these emulators.

[Dathgale]

Yep. I agree. It will be a fair while yet before there is tech that can handle it, if ever since the future is in multiple cores now the thermal barrier has been hit in terms of speed. it means the approach to emulation will have to be different to just waiting for processor speeds to catch up as it has in the past.
Wouldn't it be easier to just post an announcement like this instead of hunting down every post that has misinformation in it?

[Lukong]

No due to the fact that every person computer might be different and that the emulator that person invented could work on the certain Cpu chips, graphic cards, .Net frameworks or even the operating systems they have

It could be the anti-virus or the fact that the user isn't admin that makes you unable to run the program.

For example you need .Net Framework 2.0 to play a PS2 Emulator.

[ulaoulao]

Your point ceases to be relevant for one fact.

There are no 360/PS3 emulators. If no one can emulate these system how can computer software be a factor?

[SEVENFOOTSWORD]

When will we have 7th gen emulators for the ps3/360?

What are some of the main things that so hard to emulate?
I'm guessing one main factor is that cell processor. (didn't read whole thread only first page lolz)

My vote is sure. Why lie?

What about overclocked hardware?

Yeah I see a new trend on protect IP for a while... giving out 3x next generation hardware so it can't be emulated by the public therefore keeping a steady revenue coming in ALL THE TIME. (my uninformed guess lol)

Also would it be possible to emulate a 360 inside of a modded/hacked ps3 using its power etc?(edit: Possibly not enough ram lolz -- another uninformed guess).

[SEVENFOOTSWORD]

Todays machines could technically run PS3 and 360 games, but not on an emulator and anyone writing code that simulates rather than emulates (which is the only way to achieve it) would be sued off the face of the earth by Sony/M$.

I understand the reverse engineering and what not... and damn I want to learn assembly to do it!

But why would they get sued for making a simulator? I'm completely lost on that one? What's the difference in a simulator and emulator breaking the law?

Also, wouldn't it be free?

[AnAutisticDog]

is thurr a Wii U emul8or?

[kingkillzoz199]

Yes do it please.

[DB81397]

YES! :D
According to what I know, some computers can be used as a gaming moniter for 360s and PS3s (basically, shove your HDMI cord in the right hole and do some configuring and you'll know what I mean).

Or... Maybe I'm wrong...?

[Chaoss]

they should be banned , because they can be a waste of time for us ..

[testmachine]

you should definetly do that because there aren't such emulators.BAN them

[Mupen64 Man]

There will come a time though where we will have some legitimate emulators for these systems, and who are we to deny them a chance to show off their build if it is legit? I say lets just let it be.

[Ness]

No computer from these times have the power to emulate these systems, thus they have problems emulating original xbox and ps2, how the hell would they even run newer gen.

[FatTrucker]

I understand the reverse engineering and what not... and damn I want to learn assembly to do it!

But why would they get sued for making a simulator? I'm completely lost on that one? What's the difference in a simulator and emulator breaking the law?

Also, wouldn't it be free?

Its all about Copyright. An emulator 'emulates' what a console or computer does but using completely different techniques to achieve the same result, a simulator simply utilises, copies or modifies the existing console technology and/or code which is a breach of copyright, patents and IP. Anyone doing that would be sued off the planet by the console manufacturer.
This is why modern emulators that require a BIOS file because there's no way to emulate the BIOS (which is subject to copyright as its protected code) don't come with the BIOS built in, people are supposed to supply their own bios from a legitimate source. If the emulator authors included it with the emulator they could be sued for infringement and their emulator would be taken down.

[Zansa777]

I kid you not, I just registered for this forum JUST to reply to this (maybe I could've replied anonymously idk oh well) anyway, no you should not ban them because idk about X-box cuz idc for its, how as far as PS2 emulator goes theres one called pcsx2 that I've been using for about 2 yrs now they recently came out with version 0.9.8 and you can put cds into the computer and click plugin to play them or download the iso and choose iso, it works pretty nicely, though a lot of games do go slow or slow down, but some games run lovely. So far Kengo and Kengo 2 run smoothly with some brief slowdowns due to my comp overheating (4 gb ram i3 processor win 7 64-bit) and then Monster Hunter runs 100% smoothly full speed and everything, dynasty warriors is playable and a ton of other games are playable but some just go to slow for me. FFX-2 seems to run smooth for the most part too so it's a lovely emulator you can check out the website http://pcsx2.net/

[Zansa777]

I apologize I misread, boy i feel foolish >_>. Before I posted a post about how there is a ps2 emulator (didn't realize it said ps3) it had to be approved before posting but just in case I'm mentioning myself misreading ahead of time if for some reason it goes through

[Lukong]

I apologize I misread, boy i feel foolish >_>. Before I posted a post about how there is a ps2 emulator (didn't realize it said ps3) it had to be approved before posting but just in case I'm mentioning myself misreading ahead of time if for some reason it goes through

But you just proved a point that if its was possible for ps2 and it took sometime so in the next few years I'm pretty sure there would be a PS3, XBOX 360 or Even a Wii emulator.


I would never expect a newbie to go in to that type of detail. Its very common knowledge that you need a powerful computer to run an emulator. Sure some wont know that, but by in large its not high level science. If a computer game does not run well , changes are your under powered. Same goes for emulators. If a p2p is struggling on a 3 gig system, a ps3 is not going to be any better. Its simple math, nothing hi tech.

Not that I disagree with you, or wanting an argument, just sustaining my post, and my point. Its nothing complex.

But the emulator, computer or the person could be the obstacle in the situation.
Sometimes the emulator won't run because its missing a dll file, the computer doesn't have the proper drivers or the emulator needs a certain setting.
Those are the type of things that stop someone from play, but having a more GB of RAM, CPU GHz/Core, a person who knows how to use an emulator and the emulator was developed by a hundred developers working together as one could help a lot which would get you to play a PS3/Xbox 360 on a computer.

Also for example one could be playing on their own computer and find it slow, but play on a library computer off their own flash drive and find it faster.
Another example one wouldn't be able to play a emulator if it required Direct X off their flash drive and on a library computer.

[Smasherx74]

Yes unless it's true which is not likely.

[digihax]

Even though I'm new here, I still vote and say yes for the simple fact that yes it could/would be faked. Now idk about the 360 engine but a ps3 engine could not be modified into an Emulator. It's just too powerful.....

[Lukong]

Okay so that isn't an emulator, but its close to one.
Project RPCS3: PS3 Emulator on PC - Posted by dlevere. (http://gamehacking.org/vb/threads/5456-Project-RPCS3-PS3-Emulator-on-PC)

[SEVENFOOTSWORD]

I have a nice ole ps360 emulator. It's in my secret secret top secret stash though. Maybe in about 2 years I'll release it to the undeserving public meh.

Yes but all these posers claiming to have ps360 emulators death to 'em.

[Lukong]

NO$GBA started as a Gameboy Advance debugger but was later released as a normal emulator(version 1.9). It is the first gameboy advance emulator to support multiplayer games on the same pc! Later versions added support for the NintendoDS portable console.
Ha, even NO$GBA DS emulator started out as a Debugger, but I was looking on wiki and they said this.

NO$GBA - Wikipedia

Emulator developer, Martin Korth, first created a Game Boy emulator for DOS in 1997. When the Gameboy Color was released in 1999, the emulator was upgraded to support Gameboy Color ROMs. The emulator was made shareware as for the upgrade, users were charged $10. The Gameboy Color emulation was copied by many other software crackers and released as freeware. Consequently, the emulator became freeware at the last stable release, 2.5.

NO$GBA Debugger - Wikipedia

The NO$GBA Debugger is development tool for testing and debugging of Gameboy Advance and Nintendo DS ROMs, supporting source level debugging. The Debugger is designed for programmers and has been described as "completely useless to gamers" by Martin Korth. It is shareware with a price of $15 for home-use and $750 for a single commercial licence.
And it may not even take a few years for a PS3, XBOX 360/Kinect and Wii emulator to come out.

Nintendo DS - The Emulator Zone

The Nintendo DS is the most recent handheld system developed by Nintendo. It was released in 2004 and was the first handheld system to feature dual screens. In improved edition called the DS Lite was released in 2006. The term "Lite" refers to it having brighter screens, smaller size and lower weight, it still has the same features as the original.
So from that time tell NO$GBA 2.6a is how much and I heard it hasn't updated for a long time...Also doesn't a "a" in NO$GBA 2.6a mean Alpha which comes before Beta, which means that NO$GBA is most likely to Connect DS to DS the next time we see it.

I noticed the "Alpha which comes before Beta" when I found out PCSX-Reloaded 19.92 was a Beta, but had "a" versions which might stand for Alpha before it and "b" meaning Beta.
http://i51.tinypic.com/ms20kw.png
That means NO$GBA 2.6a is an Alpha to what Beta.
Also you know that 3D Wolf Movie, Alpha & Omega, that means a Program goes from Alpha, Beta, Kappa & things in between to an Omega being the last, but an Alpha Male is usually the head Male/Father of Many Puppies...I just look that up in wiki Alpha means 1 and Omega means 800 in numeric Value...no wonder.

[the_krav3n]

Banned might be a little harsh, but at the same time, you allready know if you're gonna download a current gen game system emulator, your not gonna get the same results as if you get the system. Hell, i didn't even know there was a ps3 emulator out. I heard it was almost impossible to crack

[Zach]

Ban everyone.

Problem solved

[ZeroUnlim]

Haha, people who claim to have PS3/360 emulators...lol. Although the fact is you'd have to have a super computer and I mean a SUPER computer to run that kind of emulation, it's plainly pretty much impossible to code as well as of right now. I say warning first, then ban.

[TheLeader]

A warning will suffice and a ban for repeat users sounds good. I don't think it's fair to ban people outright for it, as they may have simply been duped themselves.

[dacrazy]

i dont know why but i voted yes! hahaha

[sk8man741]

wow.... really?
you dont know what ur talking about. i have an alienware desktop and it is able to run a cracked ps3 emulator and able to run the games decently, not 100% as well as the ps3 but it can run them.
im currently working on my own "beta" 360 emu and am hoping to have it running by february 2012

[Zach]

Right,

good luck with that

[Mupen64 Man]

My thoughts exactly. If its true though, I wouldn't mind trying to test it out.

[ulaoulao]

i have an alienware desktop and it is able to run a cracked ps3 emulator and able to run the games decently You could have told us your were incapable of rational thought. There was no need to make up a story like that. The internet is full of ps3 emulators, fact is none of them do anything. Unless your coming here with some sort of proof to demonstrate this emulator, do us all a favor and leave.

BTW: building en emulator requires a bit more the rational thought. Seems as how you can not demonstrate that, its largely conceivable you cannot begin to understand the framework in building an emulator.

[Mupen64 Man]

I wish that we had some genuine emulator developers and programmers active on this board. :/

[ulaoulao]

I wish that we had some genuine emulator developers and programmers active on this board. :/ Ok a bit off topic -- Would you like to see my resume? I'm a senior programmer and have been programming since 1984( yes I was young ). If biss-box is not enough evidence LOL. Now an emulator programer I dont claim to be. I may have a good understanding of assembly and op-codes, but I would not elect myself at the hand of a emulator author.

Perhaps you meant - emulator developers and emulator programmers ? I know of one here and forget his name.

[Mupen64 Man]

Ok a bit off topic -- Would you like to see my resume? I'm a senior programmer and have been programming since 1984( yes I was young ). If biss-box is not enough evidence LOL. Now an emulator programer I dont claim to be. I may have a good understanding of assembly and op-codes, but I would not elect myself at the hand of a emulator author.

Perhaps you meant - emulator developers and emulator programmers ? I know of one here and forget his name.
I meant emulator developers and programmers old timer! :) Speaking of Bliss-box, ive a few questions, but i'll ask in a PM. :)

[ulaoulao]

Ok friend, I'm still going to pick on you...

"I meant emulator developers and programmers"

You see this means
"emulator developers"
and
"developers"

So I still say you meant. "I meant emulator developers and emulator programmers"
or the more traditional "I meant emulator developers/programmers"

Young-in ;)

ps. good thing you asked in PM ;)

[wri0013]

I will say one thing, there is a PS3 emulator. It can only run very basic homebrew though. It's called rpcs3 it's on the Emulator Zone.

[testmachine]

@Wri0013
Hey don't revive dead threads or Polls.No one replied since a year!

[onewecallgod]

Many moons ago, I could ban people.

[testmachine]

Haven't seen you for a while onewecallgod!

[CalinCool]

ofc they must ban these spammers.

[Mupen64 Man]

Lol, Onewecallgod! its good to see a post from an old member, we need more of those. ;P

[S3RXMods]

No Offense, But your all dumb. Just search PS3Emu and beside the one youtube video with the related videos, the second is the xbox os running on pc. I tried this myself, Trust me it isnt fake.

[S3RXMods]

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=VVh1evr7mWg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVVh1evr7mWg
^ Thats PS3Emu in action

[ulaoulao]

I got a bridge I can sell you.

[testmachine]

No Offense, But your all dumb. Just search PS3Emu and beside the one youtube video with the related videos, the second is the xbox os running on pc. I tried this myself, Trust me it isnt fake.

Yeah,yeah.Pack your bags,and GET the hell out of this forum!

[S3RXMods]

Yeah,yeah.Pack your bags,and GET the hell out of this forum!
Well,... Maybe not.

[ulaoulao]

Well,... Maybe not. oh you finally realized there are no ps3 emu's. Good, I'm glad you wised up. Little piece of advice, don't believe everything you see.

Besides the results are in people like you should be ban. Youtube is like the national enquirer, unless you find a ligament project dont bother us. If its not ligament we can't link or support it anyways.