Y?

[Draco]

Hello :)

Why is it so hard to emulate a XBOX as it is basically a PC, A slow one at that. But we can emulate N64 and PS2 that use data thats actually impossible for a X86 CPU to process in one peace even after its converted it to X86 code! :huh: :(

[Jet Set Willy]

Because it's not exactly a PC, some of the legacy hardware is undocumented, and there are internal software issues such as the BIOS which also need to be emulated. It's not impossible, it's being done, but it's not that easy.

[Draco]

Thank you

[Chocho]

And no, we can't emulate PS2 yet. If we will, that will be cool, but than we will want to emulate PS3. :D

[Draco]

yup it gose on and on :huh:

[Chocho]

Just think about it! PS2 is a 4 years old console. And we can't emulate it??!! What will happen with Xbox 2? We can't gonna emulate it till 10 years after, or what? :(

[Jet Set Willy]

It's probably easier to emulate.

[Draco]

Its odd, the PS1 was relatively easy to emulate as its CPU code was relatively strait forward to interpret in to X86 code, also the GPU was reactively basic and easy to get a PC GPU chip to do the same work and even if it could not do it all some was just passed on to the CPU, even the sound not that hard, also people just ripped the BIOS to make life easy. So all in all the PSX is easy

Unlike the N64 that is a relatively odd system and to run any of the games that were coded to utilize the full 64bit power of the system you have to have a CPU with SSE to map the R4300 register to the SSE stack and many other odd tricks like that. Even the GPU is relatively odd and in many situation companies like Rare were coding the system at very low levels. There is still no fully working N64 emulator out even now.

So if we go by this the Xbox should be relatively easy to emulate as the CPU is just a Celeron and the GPU is a old GF chip. I think it was something close to GF3 but missing the odd bit like the GF2 but also with more pipelines like the GF4. I would like to know the actual problems they are encountering.

What is the best Xbox emulators out? I think ill have to email them and offer a hand, My English may be terrible but perhaps I will finally get to utilize something I learnt at when I was at university.

[Chocho]

Mine english is terrible too! :D
The best emulator is Xeon, but I was saying, I've been read about X-box Emulator 1.00. I've got that, but I never tryed it. But if you want to try it, I can send it to you in e-mail.

[Draco]

Hello

Thank you but I already have it, No DVD player though, Do you have the source code to?Also is it possible to get in contacted with the developers at all?

Thank you

[Chocho]

No, teh developesr are gone! And noone knows anything about Da-Expert Software Inc. (the developers of the emu). I dunno I have the source or not. BUT! I'll try iton monday with Outrun 2! ;) Wait and see... :)

[Jet Set Willy]

The fact that nobody has heard of it, the fact the developers call their selves "Da-Expert Software" and the compatibility claims they make should give you a clue about the emulator.

[BeVar]

Hello Draco,

right-on... Can hardly wait to see the results U can get with that source code.
With your programing experience I bet U can get it done.

It would be nice to, at least, see some of these new X-Box games run on a PC.

BeVar :)

[Jet Set Willy]

Jesus Christ...

[Chocho]

Why don't you try it?

[BeVar]

Chocho,

I am not an accomplished programmer like Draco.
I am an accomplished Hardware and software integrator. Basically, I can make anything work if the right software tools and hardware is there.

[Lefteris_D]

If you really want to check out the source code of an xbox emulator then try Cxbx. The source can be found here (http://www.caustik.com/cxbx/download.htm).

Caustik stated in that page that everyone is free to download the code and try to fix things on their own provided that they know programming.

[Chocho]

Thx.
And what about Microsoft? What are they say about this emu thing?

[BeVar]

Very Interesting stuff "Above Zero"...

Thanks for the knowledge.

[Jet Set Willy]

Originally posted by BeVar@Oct 17 2004, 03:12 PM
Chocho,

I am not an accomplished programmer like Draco.
I am an accomplished Hardware and software integrator. Basically, I can make anything work if the right software tools and hardware is there.
That doesn't even mean anything! That's why you two are annoying me - you throw terms around as if you know what they really mean, and as if you have a clue about what you're talking about.

[BeVar]

that's right......"ClueLess"

[Draco]

Hello

Thank you Lefteris D I will have a look at it.

Also hello Bevar thank you for your confidence but I would say I don’t know if I will be able to help really. This is way beyond anything I have really attempted. The real problem is that I do not know any detailed information on the Xbox hardware and it appears no one really know. Much of the information is gathered from reverse engineering the system and this is apparently what is taking the time.

Jet Set Willy, To be quite honest I don’t care if we are annoying you. dont you have anything better to do than trying to insult people?

[onewecallgod]

Originally posted by Draco@Oct 17 2004, 06:10 AM
Hello

Thank you but I already have it, No DVD player though, Do you have the source code to?Also is it possible to get in contacted with the developers at all?

Thank you
youre going to need a chipped xbox to use xeon. a dvd-rom drive wont work

[nesman]

Theres no point in trying to get a Xbox emulator to work.

[onewecallgod]

Originally posted by nesman@Oct 17 2004, 03:03 PM
Theres no point in trying to get a Xbox emulator to work.
he's interesting in helping the development, so....

[Chocho]

Hi Draco!

You said you've got this emu (X-box Emulator ver 1.00), right? Well, I lost it. :o Could you send it in an e-mail for me? My adress: chocho@freemail.hu
Thx!

[Lefteris_D]

I've already told you once and I'm going to say it again. That emulator is a fake.

Still with the ones listed at trusted emulation sites.

[Chocho]

I read it after then I wrote this. Sorry about that.

[nesman]

Originally posted by onewecallgod+Oct 17 2004, 09:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (onewecallgod @ Oct 17 2004, 09:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-nesman@Oct 17 2004, 03:03 PM
Theres no point in trying to get a Xbox emulator to work.
he&#39;s interesting in helping the development, so.... [/b][/quote]
Sorry about that, I accidentally posted in this topic. :P

[Chocho]

Oh... yea... :P

[Lefteris_D]

Originally posted by nesman@Oct 19 2004, 03:40 AM
Sorry about that, I accidentally posted in this topic. :P
Don&#39;t feel bad about it. It happens even at the best of us.

[Chocho]

Lefteris_D: Please bann me, delete my registration&#33; Thank you&#33;

[nesman]

???

[onewecallgod]

Waz scared Chocho away

[nesman]

hahaha :lol:

[AerisHeaven]

Basically comes down to systems being ever so complex. You require a dedicated team and vast amount of resources and time to complete an emulator. Look @ most now days. They become popular, then abdonded, but several good groups keep pusing the development of great emulators. Suprised PJ64 is still alive after the numeroues ups and downs.

[Jale]

Please don't bump old threads. Thanks.

[AerisHeaven]

Ah sorry, didn't realize it. Was just searching for some good ones :)